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Why I am KJV Only

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Jim Ward, Mar 27, 2004.

  1. ILUVLIGHT

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    Hi Phillip;
    I would gather that in you opinion that a minister who is preaching the gospel is not inspired to do so of God. Or that no Christian is in spired of God and God just doesn't do this kind of thing anymore. Is this what you're saying?
    May God Bless You;

    Mike
     
  2. Scott J

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    If you are reading the KJV or any other Bible and are getting things that go beyond what the text says then you are still claiming advanced revelation.

    What passage told you to believe in KJVO? That would be a good place to start in testing your claims.
     
  3. Scott J

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    Not in the same sense that Paul or Moses was inspired to write scripture. A preacher may be given insight, understanding, or application by the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit will not reveal to someone a new meaning or message. That would be new scripture.
    Yes. God is not currently communicating with anyone by direct, inspired revelation.

    There are groups that dispute this fact: the RCC, Jehovah's Witness, a variety of charasmatics/pentacostals, Mormons, etc.

    But Bible-believers accept that the scripture was finished when the last of the Apostles died... that there is now a lack of God qualified revelators.

    You and Homebound have provided a vivid illustration of why KJVOnlylism must be opposed however. Instead of abandoning one unbiblical doctrine, you are descending further into error by attaching yourself to another unbiblical/unorthodox doctrine.
     
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    I could give you my testimony about having rejected KJVOnlyism complete with Bible verses where the KJV is ambiguous or weak on some doctrinal point while one MV or another is stronger but for now I will stick with the bottom line.

    Nothing in your post provided one shred of proof that the Holy Spirit much less the scriptures were your authority in arriving at your KJVO position. All you stated was that you compared some passages and liked the way the KJV said it better than the way MV's said it.

    Isn't that one of KJVO's chief accusations against non-KJVO's? That we are looking for a Bible that says what we want it too?

    If a spirit told you to believe something that the Spirit did not inspire into scripture then you would be well advised to check that spirit... it might be the same one that inspired Benny Hinn's hair-do ;) . None of the passages you cite are without explanations that are just as valid as those you yourself might give for apparent problems within the KJV. (ie. accounts of Paul's conversion)
     
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    Amen (especially the part about Henny-Penny :D ).

    Thereare so many things going on today in the name of the Spirit (well, I should say 'a spirit'). Just look at the cacophany of the Pentecostal/Charismatic movement and all the nonsense they are touting as a 'new movement of the Spirit'.

    And now the KJVO camp has chimed in their two-cents' worth, in that the Spirit has told them that the KJV is the only one. Sort of like Ripplinger's 'special' secretarial role with God in her books ( [​IMG] snicker, snicker ).

    This is why the bible tells us to try the spirits. Not every 'spirit' is of God. There are fallen angels out there, devils who are more than able to mimic 'spiritual gifts' for folks (as well as drop the occasional 'devine revelation', e.g. Mormonism).

    Exactly. This is the reason that the KJVO camp cannot provide any Scriptural evidence to back up their claim. Any Scripture that they try to use to prove the KJV can also be used for any other translation. Can we say circular arguement?

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
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    Homebound:No it doesn't. If the Holy Spirit has not shown you something in the Bible, try using and believing the King James Bible, the Holy Spirit will bring things out in a verse that maybe you onced just read or scanned across and thought nothing of it. I've done it, and it is a blessing to known that the Holy Spirit is there to help you along and show you a thing or two.

    The Holy Spirit does nothing with a KJV reader that He does not do with the reader of any other versions. Being a reader of many versions including the KJV & AV 1611, I speak from experience.
     
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    Notice, sports fans, that while I unhesitatingly answered Jim Ward's questions, and with Scripture where applicable, HE has failed to answer mine. In the meantime he's posted in other threads, so the old "I hadta work" reason doesn't apply here.

    Typical KJVO. Long on rhetoric, very short on traction where the rubber meets the road.
     
  8. Travelsong

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    Let's look at the most famous verse in God's authorized perfect Bible:

    Now let's look at the same verse in an mv:


    Notice the sick and twisted perversion of doctrine here. Look at how God's word has been mocked and tossed out the window. May all you mv's throw yourselves on the floor and beg the Lord for mercy.
     
  9. JAY WILL

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    do you think we're acting like Jesus would want us too. Jim gave his testimony and questions and Robycop you gave you testemony and your questions, ive read everything you both have written and you both have done a lot of bible study . i can see your point in away about why you might not like kjvo people but i'd look at it this way seems like you and your dad ran into some saducees and pharacees like Jesus ran into when He taught things they didn't exactly beleive. but just because you answered Jim's questions and he hasn't answered yours is not a reason to trash him. i personally read the kjv but thats just my peferance i noticed things like Jim did on comparison i used too read niv all the time but just feel more comfortable the last 5 yrs since i started reading kjv
    ib4jesus... jay
     
  10. JAY WILL

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    Travelsong check in the modern translation from the NIV and read what JN5:4 says and read in the KJV and you'll see it reads "For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water steped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had."

    Give you a hint you won't find it in the NIV except in a footnote. i myself think that that is a prerry inportant verse too be left out.
     
  11. michelle

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    Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

    Phillip,

    Your first post, after Brother Jim Wards wonderful post on his testimony, is irrelevent. The reason I say this, is you, nor any other person has the right to say such things, nor come to the conclusion you have regarding it, because you admitted that you did not read the entire thing. It is unbelievable to me, that you would then have the audacity to come to such a conclusion, when you have not read the entirety of what Jim had said. Because you ignored the entire content of his post, you unfortunately did not and do not understand what he was saying, and come to the wrong conclusion. It also shows your attitude toward others, in that you do not really care what others are saying, nor do you even try to understand, nor desire to hear the truth in this important matter. If you had read the entirety of Bro. Jim's post, you would most definately be assured that his conviction of the truth came from God himself, and not what you falsely assume, and mark to avoid, based upon a false understanding of what he said, because you did not read all of his post.

    I pray that the Lord will show you the truth regarding this. May the Lord richly bless you with knowledge and understanding of his truth.

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  12. Phillip

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    I would gather that in you opinion that a minister who is preaching the gospel is not inspired to do so of God. Or that no Christian is in spired of God and God just doesn't do this kind of thing anymore. Is this what you're saying?
    May God Bless You;

    Mike
    </font>[/QUOTE]No, no and no again. :D Let me try to explain. My post is not real clear and sometimes I have difficulty putting my thoughts into words.

    Yes, the Holy Spirit will lead a pastor, will lead a listener and results that are astounding can occur. I am NOT belittling the Holy Spirit WHATSOEVER.

    What I am saying is simply to be wary of anybody who says: "The Holy Spirit Told me this, so it must be right." or "God showed me where I was wrong so I must be right."

    I am warning the people who post to be careful and not believe another human being simply because they use that as their reference. We are to use the Bible as our reference and yes the Holy Spirit can speak to us.

    If we were to believe everybody that claimed God told them something, then we would believe Oral Roberts would already be dead when he didn't raise his 300 million or whatever for the hospital in Tulsa, we would believe it when a tele-evangelist says: God tells me there is someone out there with a bad-back who needs to be healed today. Yes, maybe God did that, but I am not going to take THAT MAN'S word for it.

    Just because somebody in the KJVO crowd says: "God told me the KJV is the only Bible." does NOT give the KJVO any more creedance than and MVer who claims to have prayed and believes that his ESV is also a good Bible.

    My point is that we should NOT put much faith on someone ELSE (a human) saying that God led him or her to do this. NOT, that the Holy Spirit is alive and well and working in our lives today. ;) I hope that makes more sense and eases your mind a little bit.
     
  13. Orvie

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    Now let's look at the same verse in an mv:


    Notice the sick and twisted perversion of doctrine here. Look at how God's word has been mocked and tossed out the window. May all you mv's throw yourselves on the floor and beg the Lord for mercy.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Why, travel, you DO have a sense of humour! [​IMG]
     
  14. Phillip

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    Oh, Contrare Ms. Michelle, I have argued and debated and changed my mind before. Ask some of the people that posted in the Creation debate. I was a "old-earth believer" and after obtaining convincing evidence I was wrong, I changed. I believed in the gap theory. Evidence shows that it will not work.

    I have read Jim's post all the way through. I am sorry to say that there is no evidence there. It is the same KJVO rhetoric that I have been reading since I heard of the KJVO movement. I even believed it for a while, until I started studying and praying about it. So, therefore, you too are making conclusions that are completely out of line.

    Jim's testimony is heart-rendering, but sorry, there just ain't no evidence, Biblical or otherwise. ;)
     
  15. Phillip

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    It does strike me as funny how the KJVO crowd uses statements such as: "you have the audacity" blah, blah, blah.

    This only shows to me that your belief is based on emotions.
    There are certain questions that most KJVO people will not answer. We keep asking for the answers and all we get is a testimony like Jim's, which is "interesting", it is "heart-warming", it is "full of emotions", it is "lacking in content". AND YES, I HAVE read it all NOW!

    Please note the statement Jim made about my belief's being "demonic". Does that seem to "fit" with his testimony? Personally, it doesn't bother me one iota if he thinks my ideas are "demonic". I feel right in the Lord, but I am not going to attack him personally, but I will say that I believe his conclusions are WRONG. After all, this IS a debate site. So, please do not tell me I have the "audacity" to debate with Jim. If you don't want me to have the "audacity" to debate then post in the Fellowship site and I will not debate it, End of story! [​IMG]
     
  16. Phillip

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    Scott J. put my statement into much clearer words. I am NOT saying the Holy Spirit does NOT assist with understanding. He does. But, if we believe something that is contrary to the Word of God, then something is wrong. There are NO LATTER DAY REVELATIONS, PERIOD. God is the same today as he was yesterday and forever. Just as the New Testament perfectly meshes with the Old. God did not change from Genesis to Revelation, the SAME story is told. If I say that God said something contrary to that Bible then I have a problem.

    Saying that the KJV is the ONLY version of the Bible in English IS A MODERN DAY REVELATION. Show me in the Bible--KJV is fine---where it SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT THE KJV IS IT! :rolleyes:

    [ March 30, 2004, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: Phillip ]
     
  17. michelle

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    Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

    I have tried to post a couple of times since my last post and for some reason I keep getting knocked off this website. I don't know if this will go through or not.

    Phillip, the fact that you do not take in what is being said, is very apparent to me in your posts. You claimed you did not read the entirety of Bro. Jim's post, and then made false accusations against him, and warning others to beware of any who claim special revelations of God or rely upon emotions. This, I also agree to whole-heartedly. But the fact and truth of the matter, is that what Jim has testified and shared, is not what you assume, nor think, and if you had really read what he said, you would indeed understand this.

    It also amazes me, that you must now slander me because I used the word "audacity". It was quite appropriate to illustrate your attitude and behavior and words, concerning what Jim Ward had posted, since you had not read his entire post at that time of that particular post of yours. You may have read the entirety of his post "NOW" as you have claimed, but have not recanted, nor apologized for this false accusation toward him. If you have actually read all of what Brother Jim has said, you would realize that it is contrary to what you have accused him of.

    My belief is not based on emotions. My belief in this issue is in God's promise of preservation for every generation. This is based on Faith, and not that of emotions. I also have faith in the promise that the Holy Spirit will lead us to all truth. He leads me, and others daily, though we must be willing, and have the desire to hear, know and understand the truth, no matter what our preconcieved ideas are on it, or what others believe. My understanding on this issue, is not from emotions, or from what other people have said, or believe regarding it, but what the Lord himself has shown me through my faith in what he has said and given to us in his word of truth, and every single word of it.

    You have every right to debate with him, but you have no right to debate with one when you have not read, nor considered honestly, ALL of the one whom you are debating with has said, if you want to be taken as serious. This, you had not done, when you had posted a reply to his testimony. Because you did not read the entirety of what Jim was sharing, you came to a quick assumption, and very false one at that. You might want to take the time to really read what Jim had said, and shared with all of us, so that you may debate him on sound, accurate and truthful reasons, rather than false accusations because of lack of understanding because you have not understood what was said, due to the lack of reading all of what was said, and contemplating it.

    I am curious, what do you think of the scripture comparisons that Jim Ward so wonderfully shared? How do you in your conscience, and love for the Lord and his word of truth, reconcile these things? Where is your fear of the Lord?

    Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
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    Pr 18:13
    He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
     
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    Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

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    Phillip quoted:

    believed in the gap theory. Evidence shows that it will not work.
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    Phillip,

    I realize that this is not the appropriate thread for this discusssion, but I only bring this up as another indication of the lack of believing whole-heartedly what God has proclaimed in his word of truth to be the absolute truth, but relying upon the theories and understanding of men and the world instead. Go ahead and believe the gap theory, which is not SUBSTANTIATED whatsoever in God's word of truth. God has said he created the heaven and the earth in six days, and rested on the seventh day. To believe in the gap theory, denies this absolute truth that God has given to us plainly in his word. To believe in the gap theory, also makes one believe that death came before the sin and fall of man, which is not biblically correct. God blessed the work he had done, and said it was good. The gap theory is a lie of satan, so to mislead and decieve God's people, as he has been doing since the very beggining of creation, which led to man's sinfulness, and rebellion against the Lord God Almighty and his eternal truth.

    Your belief in this gap theory is not surprising to me at all, and just indicates to me the very perilous times we are living in, and the ever increasing apostacy that is occuring within the churches today. You either will believe God, or man. I choose to believe God and what he has said and given to us, rather than the theories of unbelieving and wicked men, and the world. So it is not at all surprising to me, that you would also stand for the corruptions that have been done to God's holy and pure words of truth, and excuse them away, and claim that this is of God. Beware of those who call evil good, and good evil.

    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle
     
  20. LarryN

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    Michelle,

    *FOR THE RECORD, I MYSELF DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE GAP THEORY.*

    The "Gap Theory" was popularlized in the early 20th century with the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible. Scofield, in his marginal notes to Genesis, first made the theory widely accessible to Fundamentalist Christians. It was widely adopted, and to question it was tantamount to heresy, even well into the 1960's.

    Even I remember those who dared to initially suggest a "Young Earth", about the time when Morris & Whitcomb published "The Genesis Flood". For the half-century up until that point, the likes of Harry Rimmer largely represented Fundamentalist beliefs about Creation. During that time, to question the Gap Theory would have meant being labeled a liberal or heretic.

    Now, for someone to even mention the Gap Theory means that the label "heretic" is hurled against them. Times have sure changed.
     
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