Why I am KJV Only

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

Daniel David,

The origional greek and hebrew manuscripts which were penned by the prophets and apostles have been long gone for centuries. The origional words of God, however have NEVER, nor EVER will be lost. God has preserved them. How? Through believers, those who are his, born again of the Spirit of the Lord. Do you memorize scripture? What makes you think those of the early church did not also this same thing? When your Bible is faded, and the pages are ripping and worn, do you not set out to purchase another? Have you not given to others the Bible? Why then, would it be any different for the saints of all ages, and all languages?

I know exactly what God has promised, for I have it in my Bible and believe what he has said 100%. If I cannot believe it, then I cannot nor could I believe 100% anything else that was contained in it. Doubt would be sown in my mind, hindering me from hearing what the Spirit sayeth unto me.

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

I see now Michelle. People memorized the bible as the greek and hebrew vanished.

How utterly hilarious.

 

Michelle;

Just give us some concrete facts. Did you have a burning in the bosom too?

 

Michelle,

Sorry to take so long to respond. I haven't been online this week (much).

As to having one's salvation called into question because one does not bow to the KJV, I can say that mine has, more than once. The posts were edited post-haste (sorry, first words that came to me). Most of the 'charges' came from an individual that has since been 'expelled' from the Board (QS/Precepts), but he was not the only one.

You appartantly do not see my point about what Jim posted on the beginning of this thread. My problem was not with his testimony (although basing doctrine on personal experience is utter folly), or with his comparison of versions. My problem was with his statement at the end of his post.


When Jim stated "those seeking to sway or change my belief are not battling against me, but against Almighty God, the creator of heaven and earth" he caused about a dozen red flags to go off. Did this statement bother you at all? Or did you clap your hands because you also believe in KJVOnlyism?

This is a debate forum. To stomp in here, lay down a field of fire like Jim did, and to cap it off by saying 'God told me, so take it up with Him' (in other words, to argue with me is to call God a liar) is, to put it mildly, not very bright.

I am a child of God, bought by the shed blood of my Lord and Savior on the hill of Calvery. I love my Jesus, I love His word, and I know that my name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life. But I do not bow and scrape before the president, the pope, or any single translation of the Bible.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

As to the differences between the KJV and other translations, look up the word 'translation'. It means to interpret the words of one language in the words of another.

Michelle, even you said that God preserved His perfect word in the originals. These were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. The KJV is written in (outdated) English. So which is perfect?

You also quoted Revelation's warning about adding to and taking away. Well, every bible that has been translated from the original languages has doen just that. In order to take one language and translate it into another, you must take away the original and add the other.

No two languages translate perfectly into one another. If they did, they would already be the same langauge. Hebrew is not English. Aramaic is not English. Greek is not English. So whish is perfect, the original languages or the translation thereof?

In Christ,
Trotter

 

My goodness Michelle, just read YOUR post. You tell me not to have the "audacity" to speak up against Jim's beliefs, then you turn the attack around. It is all emotion. PERIOD. Jim posted his statements about my beliefs being "demonic" right after I gave my testimony to the reasons I am an MVer. So, is Jim out of line there?

 

Amen, Brother Trotter -- Preach it!

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!


To whoever SNIPPED my above post, I do NOT APPRECIATE IT. You do NOT HAVE ANY RIGHT WHATSOEVER TO SNIP what I wrote! I did not attack anyone, and therefore I here will again say what I said:


I will not use my husbands good earned money that God has blessed us with, for purchasing the modern versions which have CORRUPTED His pure words of truth.

Are you going to snip it again? You better think twice about doing this, for I will go through and find many other things people have said, and false accused PEOPLE of that deserve to be snipped, which HAS NOT BEEN DONE. It however is not that surprising, considering you all like the SNIPPED VERSIONS OF GOD'S HOLY AND PURE WORD OF GOD, that you don't think twice about snipping the words of what people have said. This is proof positive of many peoples attitudes toward God's word of truth.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Dear sister michelle,

This is a private posting board and as such rules are made which will cause one to be excluded if one persists in breaking them. If one believe sthat the MSS behind the mv's are "corrupt" there are kinder and gentler ways to say it.

Yes there are inequities here on the BB but it is to be expected being a private posting board.

Many here have been banished from the KJVO boards as well. So you needn't be astonished. It's a fact of life.

Why not state your case and give examples of verses where you believe the mv's might beflawed for discussion without the emotional entanglement, labels and name calling which profits no one?

Bear the inequities for the sake of what you consider the truth?

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!


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Trotter quoted:

No two languages translate perfectly into one another. If they did, they would already be the same langauge. Hebrew is not English. Aramaic is not English. Greek is not English. So whish is perfect, the original languages or the translation thereof?
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Trotter,

I appreciate your responses, and thank you very much for them. I am a little angry right now, and hope and pray I sin not, because of the liberalness of snipping someone took with my above post.

Regarding the above you quoted, shows me how you think about this situation. Do you not believe that God has preserved his words of truth for all generations as he has promised in his word? Or do you believe those scholars, and versions that have altered the meaning of even this promise? Please tell me, do you have faith that you can know and believe EVERY WORD OF GOD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD for your daily life/walk with your God? God has the power, authority and reason to preserve his words of truth to those he loves through his providence. This I believe 100%. The scholars and basis of the critical text did not/do not approach translating with this belief, however those of the KJV did. There is a big difference.

About Precepts, I never read that he questioned or commented about anyone's salvation. Just because you misunderstand what people are saying to you, due to the fact you do not REALLY read what it is they are saying, does not make Precepts guilty of what you accuse him of. Many here are focusing on non-issues to this topic at hand, and quite frankly reminds me of those juniour high school days. Let us behave like mature christian adults. Let us know the whole matter before we speak, which truthfully Trotter, some have not done, and had admitted so.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

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Hank D quoted:

Why not state your case and give examples of verses where you believe the mv's might beflawed for discussion without the emotional entanglement, labels and name calling which profits no one?
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Hank,

If this is allowed, when will it end? And what then will become of freedom of speech? Is this a dictatorship in here? I have every right, not only as an American, but as a christian to speak what is the truth. Just because some cannot stomach the hard truth of the matter, does in no way mandate how I am to say something, provided I am not attacking anyone personally. If one takes it personally, that is their own problem. Many things are said that offend on both sides, but those things are not snipped when it comes from the majority beliefs on here. I WILL CONTINUE to refer to the modern versions, and the MSS that underline them as [snipped]. Sorry if you do not like it, but it is the truth.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

[ April 03, 2004, 01:01 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]

 

Peace and love to you in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

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ScottJ quoted:

KJVOnlyism is not only a false doctrine but possibly the disease that will destroy fundamentalism in America. Truly Satan is disputing God's Word but it isn't our side that is doubting it... it is yours.
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Scott,

I am curious to know what it is you believe fundamentalism is? I find your comment regarding this ironic, coming from the fact that those involved with the modern versions and the underlying texts are liberal christians, and not fundamental in their beliefs at all. All fundamental christians use the KJV. All liberal churches use the modern versions. This is fact.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle:This is the difference between you and I. You do not believe that God has preserved his words of truth, as He promised for every generation. I do.

M'am, I ask you to paste just ONE POST where anyone here has made any such statement. just one.

I faithfully believe that God preserved EVERY WORD OF GOD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD for those who love him, for they are what we are to live by.

We, to, believe the same thing, only God has obviously changes His words into what's found in our languages today.


It requires faith. This I have faith in and believe it 100%. God has promised it, and he does not lie, he has done this. I do not have a wishy washy view of the plain and literal truths of the scriptures. I believe God, and trust Him, and know that what he has said (and every single word of it), has been done and that He has the power to do it accurately within all translations.

Then what's your kick against BVs written in today's language? The KJV at one time was the most modern BV ever made in English, but that was 400 years ago.


You, however, must deny this great truth, in order for your stance and approval on those things that have caused you to even question it in the first place. God has in his providence and promises, preserved his words of truth in every language for every generation.

Once again, what's your prob? Aren't WE a generation? Or did we all originate by parthogenesis?


The recieved text is that to which is what underlines the KJV, and the critical greek text which underlines the modern versions. These texts are different, and are the reasons for the differences in the KJV and the modern versions.
We know that. Once again, what's the prob?


Yes, I do compare from the KJV to the modern version, for they are translatlions of those underlying texts in our language. They differ, and they both cannot be God's pure word of truth.

Yes, they CAN. They do NOT differ more than the four Gospels differ among themvelves within the same set of mss. By your reasonong, you must throw out three of the Gospels & choose only ONE as being God's word.

If believing that God has preserved for his people, every single word that proceedeth out of his mouth for every generation, in every language, a myth, or a superstition, then that is your opinion, but it is not the truth. I believe the truth and you are the one believing the myth because of your deception concerning this issue due to the lack of faith in God's promises concerning this issue.

We've repeatedly asked you to PROVIDE PROOF for the veracity of KJVO & you haven't even ATTEMPTED to. We've asked you to tell us BY WHOSE AUTHORITY you advocate KJVOism, and you've done nothing but pontificate about everything BUT what we asked.

OF COURSE we have "lack of faith" in doctrines not even HINTED AT in Scripture. Now, by your 100% Bible-based faith, please provide us with SCRIPTURAL PROOF that KJVO is anything more than a man-made myth.

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!


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robycop quoted:

We, to, believe the same thing, only God has obviously changes His words into what's found in our languages today.
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God has not changed ANYTHING. God does not change, for he is the same yesturday, today and forever. His words of truth also DO NOT CHANGE, they are ETERNAL, and HE is not the author of CONFUSION. What is found in our language of English today, is that the English modern versions today differ greatly from the English KJV of today, with the SAME LANGUAGE of English and there is confusion. The modern versions have caused nothing but confusion and ommittions from God's long standing preserved words. This is not of God.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

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robycop quoted:

Then what's your kick against BVs written in today's language? The KJV at one time was the most modern BV ever made in English, but that was 400 years ago.
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robycop,

You asked me what is my problem with the modern versions? Have you not read anything anyone has said about this matter? How many times does one have to tell you the same thing in order for you to listen and understand? Or are you just trying to argue, for the sake of arguing? The modern versions are based upon a corrupt greek text, and questionable methods of tranlsating. The underlying text and methods of the modern versions, to that of the KJV are different, hence we have differences, and great ones at that evidenced between them. What in this do you not understand?

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Peace and love to you in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

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robycop quoted:

Yes, they CAN. They do NOT differ more than the four Gospels differ among themvelves within the same set of mss. By your reasonong, you must throw out three of the Gospels & choose only ONE as being God's word.
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robycop,

Your reasoning in this is flawed. One cannot, nor has the authority to approach a translation of the word of God the same way that the gospels, (which are the very inspired words of God)are presented. Translating does not give the translator this authority. One is to translate what is recorded as accurately as possible to that which has been preserved. One does not have the authority to take liberty in translation in this manner. Neither would I expect the differences as shown in the gospels to be shown in accurately translated Bibles of the same language. YOu are focusing too much on the simple word changes, which is not the problem, but verses that have been omitted, and word changes that have changed the meaning of the verse/and or passage. Why do you do this? Is Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God? Or is he the one and only Son of God? Is Jesus Christ the Almighty, Alpha and Omega to whom is speaking to John in Revelation 1:11 to which Revelation 1:8 indicates, and the first and the last to which Revelation 1:17 relates in the KJV? Modern versions have OMITTED Rev. 1:11. Now please refer yourself to Revelation 22:7 which our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ says:

Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

and Revelation 22:19 which he also says:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

May the Lord bless you all with knowledge and understanding of this truth.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle,

I am just now getting around to answering some of your posts. THIS post shows that YOU did NOT READ MY POST THOROUGHLY. I SAID, that I believed in the gap theory, but changed after I was being convinced by debate on the Creation debates.

Please, do not accuse me of not reading a post again, if you cannot read them completely yourself!

Oh, and you claimed I "slandered" you by saying that KJVO people will say that I have the "audicity" to debate about a subject.

Slander requires three items under United States Code.

First, It is spoken (this was written) written is (libel)

Second, It has to be untrue. Well, Would you like me to show you the post where you said: "Slander"?

Third, It must be done to maliciously hurt someone. I simply said that KJVO's will say that we have the "audacity" to state a belief against their view. How is that malicious and harmful?

 

Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

Phillip,

I sincerely apologize for misunderstanding your statement regarding the gap theory. I ask your forgiveness and I hope that you will forgive me of this. See how very important it is for us to really read what is someone is saying? I am at fault also, and I truly apologize.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle