Why I "rant-n-rave" so much...

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  1. robycop3

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    Hi, All!

    Some of you seemta think my whole life is one big rant against KJVO, when this isn't the case at all. On other boards, I speak out against other false doctrines or religions just as vehemently, and I do NOT spend my life glued to a keyboard. I am a husband, father, & grandfather. I am an IFB Baptist who worx to bring the Gospel to the lost as opportunity presents.

    But I'm getting off the subject, which is, "WHY do I do what I do?" The answer?

    I FIRMLY, TOTALLY BELIEVE THAT THE ONLY TRUE DOCTRINES OF WORSHIP ARE FROM GOD & ARE FOUND ONLY IN THE SCRIPTURES! NO man-made doctrine of worship is true!

    KJVO is just ONE of these false, man-made doctrines. Others include salvation by worx, "regenerational baptism", Monarchianism/Sabellianism(the belief that father, Son, Holy Spirit are all manifestations of only one Being), the boatload of stuff from the Catholic Church, such as mariolatry, purgatory, etc. the belief that JESUS is/was the archangel Michael, the "seven church ages" doctrine, the "T.U.L.I.P. of Calvinism, and all the silly, petty man-made rules & regulations that many churches have, including some IFB ones.

    Again, this is but a short list.

    While every Christian has the D-U-T-Y to bring the Gospel to the lost, according to his/her God-given abilities & opportunities, God makes "specialists" outta many of us, having each of us be more into one facet or another of the total Christian life. Some are called to preach, some are called to teach, some are musicians, some are financial whizzes, some keep their sanctuary clean & the pews polished, burnt-out lights replaced, etc. ALL are parts of the BODY OF CHRIST on earth now. ALL are important to Him. NONE are in vain.

    Mine just happens to be to fight against false doctrines & religions, especially those pseudo-quasi-christian CULTS such as the JWs, LDSs, SDAs, RCC, Amish, etc. with what small ability & opportunities He has given me. Shame on me if I failta perform my D-U-T-Y in the light GOD has provided for me.

    Do I think I am special? No. There are many more who have much-more ability and resources than I have. But I believe I have more-than-everyday knowledge about these false dox & religions, and I carefully check to make sure my info is correct.

    Do I think I am unique? Yes. But I think each & every one of YOU is unique also. You each have certain abilities from GOD to perform specific worx in His name. I hope each of you uses them to the max. As for myself, I shall keep on keepin'on with what God has set before me, long as He wants. That could be many more years; it could end today. But it will NOT end cuz I refuse to do it any more-that won't happen.

    Anyway, I hope you see my reasoning & realize I'm not just some nut case with nothing better to do than kick the beliefs of some people in the teeth. And I hope ALL of you will work against the horrible devil's curse of false religious doctrines as I do, whenever you can!

    Thanx for taking timeta read this,

    robycop3(Steelmaker)
     
  2. Rippon

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    So you ignorantly lump in Calvinism with all of the aforementioned?! A scripturally-based understanding of Bible doctrines goes against your grain, does it?



    You didn't mention Calvinism in this alternative list. But I assume it's still in the mix as far as you're concerned.

    You have not demonstrated your anti-Calvinistic speciality yet. I want to see your tricks.

    That remains to be seen. You may be out of your element when you try to expand your "expertise" beyond that of KJVO debunking.

    I pray that the Lord will open your eyes to discern what are really false religious doctrines versus that which is a true understanding of God's Word. If you really investigate the Word more and submit to it you may live to recant some of your currently held views.
     
  3. Tom Bryant

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    Maybe you both could begin by acknowledging that differences about Calvinism is not the same as differences with the LDS and that both can be committed to the Word of God and come to different conclusion about the doctrines of grace.
     
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    Roby, I totally agree with you on the KJVO issue. As a former KJVO advocate, I still have many relatives and friends in that camp.

    However I think you need to be careful to make a distinction between man made doctrines and man made labels for doctrines.

    KJVO is a man made doctrine.
    Calvinism is a man made label.
    The Trinity is a man made label.
    Baptist is a man made label.

    Calvinism is just a man made label for a particular understanding of the Gospel that I and others believe is biblical.

    Man made labels are very helpful for both Biblical and man made doctrines.

    KJVO is a great label for a lousy, man made doctrine.

    Calvinism is an OK label I guess for the gospel. Monergism is probably a little better since no man's name is attached to it.
     
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    'Cause you're a bitter old man? :laugh::laugh:


    JK! I couldn't resist! :saint::love2:
     
  6. Jkdbuck76

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    Ranting and raving does not help anyone, roby.

    Just use some logic and reasoning.

    For example, you could ask a JW "how does a ghost eat fish and honeycomb?"

    Or "how did Thomas put his finger into a ghost?"


    Listen, when I was young and in high school and member of the Church of Christ, I thought it was my duty to go around stamping out heresy and incorrect doctrine. As a result, I became a very lonely individual.

    God later put a few baptist in my path that simply asked question that made me think. I later converted.
    So I'm not all that familiar with your "ranting and raving", but being nice to people and asking questions
    is probably the best way to get your points across.
     
  7. robycop3

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    I do not compromise with false, man-made doctrines whatsoever. if I end up being "lonely", well, at least I'll STILL BE correct. Why should any IFB, or any other Christian, submit to any NON-BIBLICAL doctrine?

    As for Calvinism, this is not the forum to discuss it, but the overall theme of the entire New Testament is that salvation is open to ALL people now alive. And i DO believe it's a set of man-made doctrines, created as so many others are, by some peoples' private interps of certain Scriptures.
     
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    Ya COULDA, butcha DIDN'T! Yeeehaaa!

    "Old" is a matter of relativity. I am age 61, & consider myself "Middle-Aged". To my 6-yr-old grandson, Im ancient. To my 86-yr-old neighbor, I'm a 'young whippersnapper'.

    Gotta take the bitter with the batter!
     
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    I generally agree with you roby. I'm not as dogmatic as some when defending against doctrine I disagree with and tend to stick with the basics, ie: are you trusting the the shed blood of Christ for your salvation?

    Comparing myself to others in churches that I have associated with, I'm probably more informed with respect to theology and other views. In the last 2 or 2 years I have been reading quite a bit of systematic theology and trying to gain an understanding of the Calvin vs. Arminian debate and where I fall in personally. Perhaps I'm spreading myself a little too thin as I'm also interested in church and doctrine history.

    At this point I personally gravitate towards the dispensationalist/4+ point Calvinist camp but I'm trying to get an understanding of Arminianism from an Arminian viewpoint and a CT understanding from a CT viewpoint. If someone were to try to guess my theological position based on the books in my personal library, they would probably conclude that I'm a very confused person. The question that I ask myself often is when will I get off the doctrinal fence and do I really have to? Of course I understand that I must have doctrine and stand for something but just how finely honed must my doctrine be? This is one of many questions I ask myself.

    I enjoy your posts roby. I will say the same about Rippon, who is well read but a little crankey at times. I say this with all due respect and admiration to brother Rippon.

    Tom
     
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    You are right, this is not the thread to discuss this so I will start a new one in the Theology forum.
     
  11. EdSutton

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    Personally, I tend to agree with Amy.G! :smilewinkgrin: :tongue3:

    Ed
     
  12. robycop3

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    But I'm STILL good-lookin', plastic glasses, teeth, hair n'all!
     
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    2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

    That, and the many "whosoevers",(Not ONE 'whosoever if predestinated') along with the many exhortations in Scripture to BELIEVE IN/ON JESUS CHRIST is all I hafta say about Calvinism. Were everyone already predestinated, with no chance to change one's status, then the sacrifice of CHRIST would be of no value, and the Scriptures would be useless.

    With that, & the fact that TULIP is a collection of man-made doctrines, created from someone's private interps of certain Scriptures, made while ignoring a great many other Scriptures, I'll shaddup about Calvinism!
     
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    I realize I'm stepping into a hornet's nest, but do you really understand the need for Christ's sacrifice? The reason I ask is because you stated that: "Were everyone already predestinated, with no chance to change one's status, then the sacrifice of CHRIST would be of no value, and the Scriptures would be useless." Now, personally I believe in election and predestination, but really it doesn't matter if you do or don't, because whether you do or don't we still need the sacrifice of Christ. Whether God chose a certain people before the foundation of the world and predestinated them unto life everlasting or didn't, the people that end up in heaven will end up there for one reason: their sins were paid for at Calvary.

    Now, let me handle the final part of that quote. What value would the scriptures be you asked. Well, how do you know what you know about Christ? How do you know what Christ did? How do you know what you know about heaven? Or about preservation? Or about the effectiveness of prayer? I could keep going. Obviously, the Bible is for more than just conversion. Pauls says the scriptures were given for "doctrine (teaching), for reproof, for correciton, for instruction in rightoeusness: That the man of God be perfect, throroughly furnished unto all good works." What use is scripture if one believes in predestination? Well, for one I need to know about God. For another, I need to be reproved and corrected. I also need to be instructed. And finally, I need to be throroughly furnished unto all good works, so that I let my light shine so others may see my good works and glorify my Father in heaven.
     
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    yep, start off a thread disclaiming an obsessive personality disorder with the very same personality disorder you are accused of having :laugh:

    I'm not _______ just because people say I am even though my actions say I am ________.:laugh:
     
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    And how does your interpretation of scripture different from theirs? Because yours is public instead of private? This is not a rhetorical question, why do you think your interpretation of scripture is superior to that of a Calvinist? or a Presbyterian? or a non-fundamental Baptist?
     
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    robycop3 wrote: "Mine just happens to be to fight against false doctrines & religions, especially those pseudo-quasi-christian CULTS such as the JWs, LDSs, SDAs, RCC, Amish, etc. with what small ability & opportunities He has given me. Shame on me if I failta perform my D-U-T-Y in the light GOD has provided for me."

    I feel drawn to this duty also. :smilewinkgrin: I used to just things like that go, now I just cant seem to stop confronting and questioning them. I don't know any Mormons or JW's but I do know a lot of KJVO's.

    The hardest part is keeping calm when debating the KJVO's

    Proverbs 15:18

    A hot-tempered man stirs up strife,
    But the slow to anger calms a dispute.

    Proverbs 16:32
    He who is slow to anger is better than the mighty,
    And he who rules his spirit, than he who captures a city.

    James 1:19-20

    19 This you know, my beloved brethren But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger;

    20 for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God.
     
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    What is the purpose in debating against someone using the KJ bible? I've never understood the problem people have with it.

    For the record, I'm not a KJVO'er. I prefer that translation, but I don't like some of the stances that group is known to make, like the inspiriation of translation and such as that. I think it is the best english translation, has the best base texts, is the strongest english bible, had the best translation team, etc. However, again, I think most KJVO'ers go too far.

    I said all that to say this: why do so many people fight over this? If there is a discussion to be had over the merits of each version, well I'm all for it. But why is it that so many people seem to spend time fighting the KJ bible? I don't spend my time fighting the modern english bibles or textual criticism, though I personally don't like either. If someone asks me my opinion I'll give it, but why do some people treat it as their duty to snuff out someone else's bible? Also, why is it equated with stamping out heresy?

    Furthermore, let me also make this point. If people would quit reading the bible looking for errors and read looking for food while honoring God's word, perhaps He'd be a little more inclined to bless us with knowledge.
     
  19. Salty

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    That is the reason!

    And normally the debate initiates with the KJO folks.

    I agree with you, I prefer the KJV - (probably from the fact I grew up with it) - but I don't make an issue out of it.
     
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    All References From The KJV

    The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to usward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

    Who are the "usward"? Yes, "to them which obtained like precious faith." (2 Pe. 1:1). Peter is not addressing everyone generically.

    No Calvinist believes that everyone is already predestinated -- only the elect.

    You really need to be familiar with a subject before professing to debunk it.

    TULIP, so-called, is in response to the five propositions of the Remonstrants. I notice that you did not denounce Arminianism as man-made doctrines.

    TULIP does not constitue the whole of Calvinism -- it's just a microsm of it.

    Have you ever read through the Canons of Dort? There is quite a bit of scriptural justification for the stance of the Calvinistic position of that Synod.

    You see this is why you need to study more before making your pronouncements. Just for starters,look through the Canons of Dort or John Owen's :The Death Of Death In The Death Of Christ Jesus. Then you would have to concede that you have been terribly wrong. Owen on this score is quite exhastive. He doesn't ignore any Scripture.


    I agree, you should. Open your mouth again when you become more knowledgeable on the subject. For now just stick to your anti-KJVO rants.
     
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