IF one accepts my basic premise that ALL humans were born into having a sinful nature due to the Fall of Adam, who was Head of human family before the Lord... And IF we cannot come to god by our own violation, dead in sins and transgressions... IF all humans were thus by their own natures and wills bent on hell, Unlesss the Lord directly intervened to save some... Why does this make God out to be a "meanie?' He chose to send his Son, to die in order to secure salvation for an Elected people ... isn't that Real Grace? Instead of allowing ALL to remaiin in Sins, go to hell eternally... Chose to save and elect His own peoples... What is so wrong , since NONE of us deserve anything from God other than Him judging and condemning us?