Maybe I'm missing something here. But why is the Cal/Arm debate such a huge deal? I don't see how it affects mine or anyone else's eternal destination. Looking at the 5 points, I don't see how whether they are right or wrong changes anything except our own outlook. My biggest problem with the five points myself is that in my mind, they negate the need for evangelism. But our residents Calvies all claim to evangelize, so that doesn't change anything. Whether or not man can come of his own volition or not, both groups seem to be working towards the same goal: reaching the lost. The second problem I have is the "P". But if someone believes a person who doesn't persevere isn't saved, it doesn't change my belief that he is. So, maybe people from both camps can help me out. Rather than being a debate, this thread hopefully will be a discussion of why it's a big deal to you. And please, let's keep it on that topic. Let's not degenerate into debating people on their views.