Why is it those who are divorced or have made mistakes in their lives.....

then it's God you disagree with

Pretty much final, but not final means you were still married, and committed adultry. Your husband may be guilty of adultry, but so are you.

 

Dr Bob,

I was thinking the EXACT same thing!

My goodness, one poster posts that she is "shacking up" with some guy, and I go and read her post and there is NOTHING even close to that.

Another one posts and says her MySpace site makes her seem very "unchristian" and casts her in an "angry" light, so I go to her MySpace page and I see NOTHING even remotely close to any of that.

And then she gets slammed for being blessed and helped by Joyce Meyers books. I dont agree with everything Joyce Meyer has taught, but MUCH of her teaching is just wonderful.

Man alive. Talk about shooting the wounded.

Where is the (((LOVE))) folks???



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For the most part you are talking about me, and I stand by my statements. They are based on her posts in this thread and in others.

Even atheists can give a "wonderful" talk on self esteem, ect, that doesnt mean I should listen to them. Joyce Meyer has no business preaching her false doctrine, and it is wrong to listen to any of it.

She asked for help on a christian board, but she doesnt like the responses.

And to imply that that there is no "love" here is totally wrong. I do care about her situation, mostly because I can identify with alot of what is going on with her. I have come through similar trials. My only point is that she needs to come to terms with herself and with God. Making excuses and blaming everyone else is not going to help her.

And her rebellious statements on here and on Myspace, and her refusal to accept the biblical doctrine of the role of a woman are making her situation even worse.

I know that being a single Mom has its challenges, but it irks me when women carry that title like a banner, and use it to get sympathy. She has excuses to justify everything she has done. She needs to stop talking about it and just do better. She might be amazed at how differently folks treat her if she would just stop being so defensive.

She has a militant attitude right now, and thinks that everyone is against her. The truth is this, the posters on here that gave her advise would not even know of her problems if she hadnt of put them out here for all to see. I, nor anyone else on here is against her, but she asked for help and we have offered it. If she wanted someone to pat her back and tell her lies, like she is doing the right thing, then she came to the wrong place. No christian would condone or excuse how she is living.

I dont think anyone on here is putting her down for the things she has done in the past. It is her current attitude of defiance and unrepentance that are the issues. the Lord knows that I have done many things much worse than what Traci has described, and the only way that I crawled up out of that life was by repenting. I had to stop making excuses and blaming everyone else, just like Traci needs to do.

I also had to learn that there are consequences to my actions. Getting pregnant by one man, who apparently is gone now, while being married to another has long term consequences, and it is just wishful thinking to hope that noone will notice.

Only she can change that, but her attitude and defiance have to change first.

AJ

 

In my case, it was northern Fundamental Conservative Baptist.

 

That's still no excuse for being so self-righteous as to condemn a divorced Christian and not allow him/her to serve the Lord. God can forgive ANY sin even if people can't. I don't believe divorce is right, but it's preferable to staying with a woman who tells you that she won't stop cheating on you, or with a self-righteous woman who constantly criticizes everything you say and do. What about the woman who is constantly beaten by her worthless husband? Is she expected to stay with him and "submit" to that? Where does "submission" for a woman stop and common sense take over? Personally, I cannot continue to love and respect a woman who continues to cheat on me and then tells me "I won't change."

 

Please explain this scripture then.

1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)


It says that a pastor should be the husband of one wife. that means first of all, that church leaders are to be men, not women. Secondly it means that a person that is divorced and remarried cannot be a pastor.

The instructions for women are in verse 11.

1Ti 3:11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.

You will notice in verse 12 that the qualifications to be a deacon are the same as for a pastor, so that rules out women as well.

1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

These are not my words, but the Bible's. Noone said God doesnt forgive divorce, but there are still consequences for divorce as are listed here.

That being said, I have also heard pastor's wives talk about remarried divorcees "living in sin". I do not believe this either. How does one "live in sin"? My wife and I have both been divorced and now we are married to each other with a 3 year old baby. Are we "living in sin"? Obviously, since we were divorced there have been sins commited, but God has forgiven those sins, they are not continuos. Would God have us now to divorce each other and go back to our ex's? I dont think so.

There are cases of biblical divorce that the Bible allows for, but most folks just assume that all divorce is wrong, and in most cases I suspect it is.

Traci, I would suggest to you that no matter what your husband was doing, it doesnt justify having sex outside of marriage by you. You made marriage vows that you are responsible for, and he made his. You canot be responsible for him breaking his vows, but on the other hand, his infidelity doesnt justify yours.

Even with forgiveness towards each other and from God, this situation is going to take a long time to heal. Carrying a grudge and calling him "Mr Idiot" will just prolong the healing.

AJ

 

This I do agree with.

 

Annsni,

(and the others I referred to)


When I posted that post I had only read the very earliest pages of this thread. Since then I have read about the other posts on those other threads...and that provided the "missing pieces" of the puzzle, so to speak.

So now I can sort of understand the reason for the tone of those posts.


:godisgood:

 

Ain't it funny (and I don't mean "ha ha") that, if we accept a person living in sin, then we're showing God's love? But if we tell them they're living in sin, we're being judgmental?

In the end analysis, if Superwoman has repented and asked God to forgive her of what has happened, then there's nothing more to be said. She just needs to grow some thicker skin and stop worrying about what other people think, and use the opportunities that she's being presented to share the gospel (for example, she mentioned that she went through a check-out line, and the cashier's attitude changed when she found out Superwoman was divorced and a single, pregnant mom; this would have been the perfect time to let the cashier know that God forgives sins, and that she's been forgiven, and wouldn't the cashier like to know more? Not to mention, Superwoman could easily remove the evidence of her sin (have an abortion), but she's choosing to obey God and raise the child...and so on).

 

I recommend you go back and read that story again. You'll see one particular verse that says "For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly" (depending on which version you use).

From that, you should note, as Ann pointed out, that Jesus didn't "overlook" what the woman was doing; He identified that she was not doing what she should be.

You know what one of the most overlooked verses in the Bible is? John 8:11, where Jesus says "go, and sin no more." Funny thing about how we think Jesus would handle things today; for some reason, we think He would simply say, "I love you" and not say a word about what we're doing wrong.

Actually, if that were true, He would have left the woman at the well alone...read the rest of the passage, and you'll see that others asked Him, "what are you doing with that woman?"

Have you also asked forgiveness for all of it? If so, I think that puts the matter to rest. I don't know about the rest of these folks, but if you've repented and asked forgiveness, and are living differently and for the Lord, then I applaud you.

 

I haven't been on line since Friday so i haven't caught up on most threads yet. But I was thinking over the weekend that when a person truely has repented they no longer try and justify their sin, they no longer try to place the blame on others, 'I did what I did because of what they did to me' kind of attitude. A truely repentant person will accept that they did it(whatever the sin in question), no one else to blame but themselves, not try to place the blame on others so they look justified in what they did, turn from the sin and seek to not do it again, they do no ever argue they had good reasons for their sin, a repentant person will never see good enough reasons for their sin. They know that they and they alone are guilty of their sin.

 

Theres more to this story then divorce. This person has committed adultry is preganant with anothe rmans baby, continuelly defends her actions, casts blame for her own sin on others, and is in rebellion to God, she has actually braged about it here, and stated her position not to followe scripture anymore because it doesn't work for her, scripture is according to her out dated, we are more modern now and it no longer applies. Not to mention she lied and called the pregnant adultress hypothetical, when in fact it was her.
This kind of thing is whats being condemned.

 

Exactly! We can not place blame on others when we chose to sin, the bible says every man (person) will answer to God for their own sin, blaming someone else isn't going to work.

 

I'll agree with Ann, this has been the norm for this poster since she got here.