Why is secular humanism so bad?

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  1. Wester

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    I visited the web site about secular humanism mentioned by Joy on a related thread. I can see why Joy might be irritated by the non-religious views of secular humanism. But aside from that, it seems to be a harmless organization. I agree with some of their views. They promote non-violence and many other worthwhile goals. So why the fear of them, Joy? Secular humanists are not devils.
     
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    I have no desire to get into it with a man who taunts me and lies about his identity. I will not be bullied! ;)
     
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    Wester/Huxley --

    Secular humanism centers around human thoughts, decisions, and wisdom, in direct and planned opposition to the thoughts, decisions and wisdom of God. Their proclaimed goals of peace via human making are exactly the goals of the antichrist as stated in the Bible.

    You have registered as a Christian for the purposes of this board, and yet you do not know that?
     
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    I fail to see why persuing peace and development of society by peaceful means is an evil goal. And Helen, I don't think you can prove that it is by the bible, either. You have only your extreme interpretation of the bible to use, and not everyone agrees with it. I don't think that you can show that secular humanism has anything at all to do with the antichrist. During the last few wars that this country has been engaged in, people did not wait for God to intervene but used their own skills and ability to reach a successful conclusion. Nothing wrong with that. I think your ideas are very much mistaken.
     
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    Your idea that God had nothing to do with the last few wars, or any time here in our history on earth, amazes me. You are not terribly serious about your Christianity, are you?

    Believe me, if He counts the hairs of your head, He is also involved in wars.

    In the meantime, there is only one Prince of Peace. Any peace besides His is false, sort of like claiming to be from a Freewill Baptist Church in Searchlight, Nevada
     
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    Helen, I notice that you do not try to defend your view that secular humanism is equivalent to the anti-christ. As far as God's role in world affairs, I don't think you can prove that. Believe what you want, but proof is another matter. So how about showing, if you can, that secular humanism is evil? Use the bible to do it, rather than your own opinion. Incidentally, my church meets in a few homes and therefore you won't find any record of it.

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    Helen and others,

    I suppose you know that during world War II this country was allied with Joseph Stalin, surely one of the most evil persons in the world. Would you have been opposed to that alliance? If not, how can you oppose secular humanism, which is much more harmless and not evil at all. If you would have opposed the alliance with Russia during world War II, would you be willing to see the U.S. defeated for the purity of not allying with an evil person?
     
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    This is from the humanist web site. I can see why Helen and Joy would not want to be humanist. I don't belong to the organization either. Yet I do not consider it evil. This belief system, as defined below, is essentially harmless. I suspect that religious people can agree with most of the ideas expressed below. These beliefs are in stark contrast to the worst beliefs that humans have developed.


    "Humanism is a way of living, thinking, and acting that allows every individual to actualize his or her highest aspirations and successfully achieve a happy and fulfilling life. Humanists take responsibility for their own morals and their own lives, and for the lives of their communities and the world in which we live. Humanists emphasize reason and scientific inquiry, individual freedom and responsibility, human values and compassion, and the need for tolerance and cooperation. Humanists reject supernatural, authoritarian, and anti-democratic beliefs and doctrines."
     
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    Humanists take responsibility for their own morals and their own lives, and for the lives of their communities and the world in which we live. Humanists emphasize reason and scientific inquiry, individual freedom and responsibility, human values and compassion, and the need for tolerance and cooperation. Humanists reject supernatural, authoritarian, and anti-democratic beliefs and doctrines."[/QB][/QUOTE]
    The problem with humanism is the idea that man's reason alone is sufficient to guide him, and the specific rejection of the supernatural. What they are saying is, they reject God.
    Whether we admit it or not, we are spiritual beings. Everyone needs spiritual nourishment, the bread of the Word of the Lord ("Man does not live by bread alone..."). Without that, we will be hungry. Without the natural relationship with God that we were created to take part in, man will always be incomplete and out of balance. Ultimately, that imbalance will lead to sin, mistakes, and heartache.
    There are probably many good people of conscience who consider themselves secular humanists. The problem is, they are denying themselves the essential nourishment for their soul that comes from a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. Its not that secular humanism seeks to do evil, its that it seeks to cut itself off from God and that will ultimately lead to evil and destruction.
    Apart from God, we are incomplete, and we are doomed.That is why secular humanism is ultimately evil.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> The human equation never really changes, though. As we are capable of improving our lot technologically, we are also capable of doing greater evil because the man behind the technology is still the same. Technology and learning, and education, and a lack of poverty, and increased artistic awareness do not really change man as he fundamentally is. One of the things that he is fundamentally is terribly twisted, broken and fallen. Of course, one needs only to listen to the evening news every night to know that.
    I identified this as the failure of humanism. Humanism will always fail because the best that man can do is to change those things outside of him. Man is not capable of changing himself. Everything that happens comes from who he is. It's possible for man to influence his environment, yet man essentially remains the same. So the natural equation is not changed. Man still produces what he produces. He just has more sophisticated tools to accomplish them, whether for good or for ill.

    That is why precisely there has to be another element in the equation. Not a natural element, a supernatural element. Man without God is still incredibly clever. But without God, the more clever he becomes the more deadly he gets at the same time.

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    From Gregory Koukul, Stand To Reason, www.str.org
     
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    wow! Brother TomVols and I on the same side of an issue!
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    [ January 29, 2002: Message edited by: David Cooke, Jr. ]
     
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    Yes. You're obviously growing and learning :D
     
  13. Wester

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    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Its not that secular humanism seeks to do evil, its that it seeks to cut itself off from God and that will ultimately lead to evil and destruction.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

    I am glad that you agree that secular humanism does not seek to do evil. That being the case, it seems harmless enough to me. I don't accept the notion that there is something inherently evil about an organization just because it does not involve God.
     
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    Wester,

    Please define good and evil for us.
     
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    Also, in layman's terms, please explain what the FINAL goal of secular humanism is.

    If it's to make the world a better place, I'm not interested. I already have a better place. ;)
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wester:
    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Its not that secular humanism seeks to do evil, its that it seeks to cut itself off from God and that will ultimately lead to evil and destruction.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

    I am glad that you agree that secular humanism does not seek to do evil. That being the case, it seems harmless enough to me. I don't accept the notion that there is something inherently evil about an organization just because it does not involve God.
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    Wester,
    The problem is it seems harmless-that is the hook that sucks you in. Hell has been described as simply being separated from God. Why would you want to voluntarily separate yourself from God? You are basically putting yourself in Hell.
    Any organization that that "does not involve God" relies on someone else. Who do you think that someone else is? If you think you can do it all yourself, your pride is telling you that. And tradition tells us that pride is what led to Satan's fall. Something to think about.
     
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    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;If it's to make the world a better place, I'm not interested. I already have a better place.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

    What a strange attitude. By that line of reasoning, you should not be concerned with anything at all in this world. Maybe you are just waiting to die, so you can go to that better place.
     
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    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Any organization that that "does not involve God" relies on someone else. Who do you think that someone else is? If you think you can do it all yourself, your pride is telling you that. And tradition tells us that pride is what led to Satan's fall. Something to think about. &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

    I see nothing at all wrong with non-religious organizations. I betyou belong to some yourself!
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wester:
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    I see nothing at all wrong with non-religious organizations. I betyou belong to some yourself!
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    I have never belonged to an organization that specifically denies the existence of God. You're missing the point-if you seek to make it on your own, you are headed for trouble.
     
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    &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;I have never belonged to an organization that specifically denies the existence of God. You're missing the point-if you seek to make it on your own, you are headed for trouble. &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

    Headed for trouble? Could you be more specific? Do you mean in this life or in the hereafter?
     

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