Why just two camps? Why is it that in most discussions we have a tendency to lump everything into one of two camps, Calvinism / Arminianism? I, among many that I know, here and around the world, would not place themselves in either of these camps, but are forced into one or other by every one else. Dare I use the word that inflames both camps and use the term Bibblissist! The Holy cow of these two names (Calvinism / Arminianism) automatically sets up barriers and a siege mentality. They stunt any real debate and study outside of their chosen camps. The writings of these men although not admitted by and large are held in as high a regard and in some cases higher than the scriptures. 1Cor 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Are people to frightened to go it alone without the safety net of these camps behind them? How many have come to their chosen camp purely by reading the word and not the writings of these men? It may be interesting to find out. I am getting very disheartened with the so and so says mentality. What saith the scriptures? Roy.