Why some of us wonder about WND

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  1. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Back in December the WND published a review of the Disney movie 'Tangled' after it was released in the US. David Cloud it as an authoritative source to attack the movie.

    Here is an except:

    WND, in its typical sensationalist reporting, just as typically gets it wrong. The reviewer ignores the fact that the 'mother' is a kidnapper who has imprisoned a young girl for 18 years while lying to her about her life and background. The reviewer gives us the impression that no matter what happens a child must accept the authority of a parent figure no matter how wrong that person is. Rapunzel does not rebel against her mother, she rebels against a kidnapper.

    It is this mindset that allows children to be abused by 'parent figures' in their lives. If a parent figure says it, you have to trust them and obey their authority.

    'Yes, laugh and sing while children are being stolen' the reviewer writes. The parents in the movie suffered 18 years of anguish after their child was stolen.

    Yet this review comes from a 'news source' that many consider reliable. That is a scary thought.

    Yes, eventually WND publishes a parent's response, but even then this apparent supporter of kidnapping does not back down on his opinion that children must submit to parent figures, no matter how wicked.

    We should never teach our children the lesson of absolute, unquestioning submission to any parent figure. This movie has more of a potential of encouraging a child to deal with an abusive relationship than to teach sinful rebellion.

    And yet this is the source that many use to support their political views? Something is wrong here.
     
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    Who reads it besides you?
     
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    I don't really. I came across it this time through a secondary source. It is regularly cited in this forum as a reliable source especially on the birther issue.
     
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    So your purpose in posting the op was just to discredit it?
     
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    Well, it might be a technicality, but at least to call it into doubt as a credible source, yes.
     
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    Are there other news sources that get things wrong, in your view or just WND?
     
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    The topic at hand is WND. Of course there are other sources that do it wrong. WND is in the same class as other sensationalist tabloids as the National Enquirer. I don't trust that as a reliable source either.
     
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    I am not trying to take it off topic. I am trying to understand why they stand out above others such as CNN, Fox, BBC etc. Do those listed always get everything right or do they also have agenda driven reports that are lopsided rather than news.
     
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    Though I do not trust any news source, I could easily source any of those as generally reliable.

    WND and the National Enquirer are an entirely different level of 'reporting.'
     
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    Do those listed always get everything right or do they also have agenda driven reports that are lopsided rather than news.
     
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    I do not trust any news source. Complete objectivity is not possible or desired. Those sources have a generally proven track record, WND and the National Enquirer do not. The fact that I said I do not just any source should be a clue that none are perfect.
     
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    So it is your position that WND never gets it right but only posts stories like the Enquirer like vampires, ghosts, and fabricated actions of stars?
     
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    Pretty close :)
     
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    I saw the movie Tangled, and I do not like WND (nor did I read their article or know about it until now), believing them to be quacky, but I want to point out, I think you are wrong in several points about the movie, though generally correct about WND.

    As the father of three little girls (9, 7, 6) we watched the movie a couple of weeks ago. After watching the movie, I talked with my children about some of the areas I believed the movie was wrong.

    Here are a few:

    1. That the daughter did disobey the mother/abuctor. While the mother/abductor was evil, it did not give Rapunzel the authority to lie nor to disrespect her. Rather, she disobeyed before she knew that the mother was evil and she rebelled only to find out later that she was right (communicating, rebel now and see that it all works out). God has given my children to me and they are commanded to "obey." They are not commanded to go out and try their own things to "prove" me wrong. While I do not believe a child must always obey a parent, they must obey the parent in the Lord. As I tell my children, if I give them a command that disagrees with God, you are obligated to obey God. This movie, on the other hand, had her lie, deceive, and rebel that allowed her to discover her mother was evil. Disney setup a situation that is very unlikely in order to justify rebellious actions. That is the problem and is wrong.

    2. Rapunzel trusts in a man who is a thief. The movie clearly makes this thief a "good guy." As well, this man who is a lying thief is who marries the princess for a "happy ever after" ending. I was horrified that girls across the nation will get the idea that a bad guy who you "relate" to is okay to marry and things will be okay. This concept of "love" is horrifically secular.

    I can't remember the other areas we talked about with my family. Yet, we all agreed (my children, wife, and I) that this movie celebrated a type of rebellious attitude, was selective in the evil people they displayed and honored/was okay to distrust, and placed this girl into a situation where it was okay to rebel, even though she didn't know it was okay until afterwards.

    While I hate WND and generally agree with you on their over sensationalization, I was appalled at the movie.
     
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    Going to reply to Ruiz in a new thread
     
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    While I disagree with Jerome Corsi and Joseph Farrah about their support for neocon interventionist policies I find the reporting on the "birther" issue to be quite accurate. Why? Well for one reason it's sourced and documented a whole lot better than Obama's story as told by Obama and the corporate mainstream media.

    And as far as credible news agencies and reporters go the Bush adminstration taught us, well some of us just how easily they can be bought off and how easily fake news can be passed off as real news in the mainstream corporate media.

    SEE THIS

    C4K if you're going to go after WND for it's reporting on the "birther" issue why not use it's reports on the issue you have an issue with instead of constructing a strawman argument around an opinion piece from a different author to discredit Joseph Farrah and Jerome Corsi?

    C4K said, "Those sources have a generally proven track record, WND and the National Enquirer do not." The sources you are refering to as "credible" had no problem running the Bush administration's fake news reports, or using pentagon and defense contractor propagandists as "independent analysts". They ran with the false "incubator babies" story days on end without even asking the woman who sold the story for ID! Turns out she worked for a PR firm! Then there's the false Jessica Lynch story they ran with and the false Pat Tillman story they ran with and the all false information they broadcast so sensationally during the run up to the bloody Iraq intervention, etc., etc. They do indeed have a generally proven track record, of getting things wrong and being lap dogs for the mega corporations and government.

    At this stage I find it absolutely incredible how anyone can find them credible at all.

    Yeah I caught the little "guilt by association" technique you neatly embedded in your defense of the MSCM too. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    So what stories have they reported that are about the things the Enquirer reports? When have they reported about similar things like vampires, ghosts, or false reports about stars?
     
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    I've never considered WND a reputable news source. I put them on the same par as Wiki - sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong but we can't tell which is which without doing a lot of research.
     
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    That is certainly a lot different than comparing them to the Enquirer and it sounds more reasonable. CK4 could be right I just have never seen anything like that and have never read any Enquirer type stories from there. But I typically only read it in situation like CK4 did, it comes up in other articles.
     
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    Yeah that doing alot of research is real hassle isn't it?

    Evidently the MSCM has the same problem elsewise they wouldn't run so many patently false stories. Unfortunately for us to get the real story today we have to do alot of research whether it's WND reporting a story or the "trusted" MSCM.

    It all depends on how badly one wants the real story I guess.
     

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