WHY Support Porn & Vile - Vulgar - Profane Hollywood Dirty Mouths?

Thank you Brent. A agree with you, but I think there will be a tendancy just to "overlook" this aspect of the issue as well.

 

You do know that he's just playing a part in those movies, don't you?

Nevertheless, I prefer to judge each movie on it's own merits and I don't see these things in "The Passion".

 

1999 was 5 years ago. I wonder if we had a list of every word many of our members used before coming to Christ if they'd have used the same words in real life!

If we were to go by what you infer, any man who has ever had sex outside of marriage is not fit to speak up today for Jesus. Any woman who was not a virgin on her wedding night is not useable by God. Anyone who cussed, cheated, drank to excess, cheated on their taxes, lied.....

Guess we'd just better shut up and let the stones cry out!

We have a couple of members who have openly admitted they struggle with profanity even today because it's a habit from their life before Jesus.

The only Mel Gibson movie I've watched, other than the newest, is Signs.

Diane

 

rbent,

That was in 1999. Judge the "Passion" based on it's own merits, not the beliefs and flaws of it's film maker.

--Jeff

 

Well said, Dianne. None of us are fit to proclaim the name of Jesus, aside from His grace.

I don't like the language in the movies mentioned, but I'm not about to throw stones at someone who wanted to make a movie about the suffering of Christ and what He has done for us. This has had a profound impact on many people, and I respect Mel Gibson for his efforts.

Charles

 

There are those, of course, who will search out anything as a reason to object. There is a difference between objective analysis and obvious agenda.

Through objective study, I have found many positive things, and even a few negative things about the movie. If you start with an opinion already painted, your findings will be predictable.

Regardless of the intent of this particular investigation by the original poster, these finding should not simply be dismissed. It is a legitimate concern, regardless of how you feel about the movie - don't pass it off as inconsequential.

 

If Mel is a Christian, it is more then 5 years ago. From what I heard him say it would have to be at least 12 years ago.
This site only tells the words in the movie, not who said how many of them. So it doesn't tell us what Mel said in these movies. I had to search 5 times to find one movie.

 

rbrent:

In one of Mel's movies - PAYBACK (1999), the following perverse language is used - At least 38 "f" words (4 used with "mother" and 2 used sexually), 16 "s" words, 1 slang term using male genitals ("omitted"), 12 hells, 4 d**ns, 3 S.O.B.'s, 3 a@@es, 1 crap, and 8 uses of "Jesus," 4 of "G-D," and 1 use each of "Christ," "Jesus Christ," "For God's sakes" and "Oh my God" as exclamations.

Diane:

1999 was 5 years ago. I wonder if we had a list of every word many of our members used before coming to Christ if they'd have used the same words in real life!

Charles:

Well said, Dianne. None of us are fit to proclaim the name of Jesus, aside from His grace.

I don't like the language in the movies mentioned, but I'm not about to throw stones at someone who wanted to make a movie about the suffering of Christ and what He has done for us. This has had a profound impact on many people, and I respect Mel Gibson for his efforts.

and others....


S&T:

Bruce Davey, who is a producer, in an interview that was aired on PAX TV about the passion stated that Mel had approached him fifteen years ago about doing a film based on the the Bible.

Steve McEeveety, another producer, stated in the same interview, that while filming "We were soldiers", that Mel said "We have to do the Passion"

Let's take a look at the language and other things found in the movie "We were soldiers" which was released in 2002:

PROFANITY
At least 4 "f" words (3 in English subtitles), 10 "s" words, 1 slang term using female genitals ("p*ssy"), 10 hells, 4 S.O.B.s, 2 damns, 5 uses of "G-damn," 2 of "Oh God" and 1 use of "My God" as exclamations.

http://www.screenit.com/movies/2002/we_were_soldiers.html

The apologists need to do some research, before supporting his movie, and his actions. When will people realize that the "candy" that the world is handing out, is like the halloween candy that you get with pins or even poision hidden in it. Sweet in your mouth, bitter in your stomach.[soul]

 

How about 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.... Again, If we had to be perfect to work for the Lord, the stones would have to cry out.

Diane

 

It's a good thing God didn't tell us to have perfect lives to share the gospel otherwise no one would be sharing.

 

Why is crap a bad word? I say crap.

Kim

 

Wow Spirit of truth, to not want to hear very many curse words, you sure know a lot about where you can hear them.

KimS, I am also confused about how many words become curse words. I believe that there are no "bad words" when used in the correct contexts, yet used in the wrong context any word can become bad. It is more in the meaning behind what is said than in the actual words that were used to say it. Therefore, crap can be a bad word and s*** can not be a bad wor, depending on what you mean by it. I have heard much harsher language without bad words being used than with curse words. I hope some of you understand what I am trying to say.

 

I don't mean to take this down a graphic path but was the word used referring to genitals or to a person?

It's not profanity when used to refer to a person. People assume it is, but it's not.

 

I don't think S&T was saying he was without sin, or that a person who has sin can not serve God. He did not bring up the topic, he was apparently only addressing the false assumption that Mel changed his heart and mind about the kind of movies he makes 5 or so years ago, therefore nothing before that change matters. Showing that Mel from the point his life was suppose to have been changed, has since made numerous movies that prove his claim is not true, that in effect he does nothing differently now then he did 15 years ago.

 

Well, I think we all know from scripture that speaking crudely, coarsely or profanely is wrong, because it spoils our witness as God's ambassadors, and is disrespectful.

I prefer that people not use God's name casually ("Oh God..." etc) but it is not in my book significantly offensive. Rather, one who is dedicated to a Holy God should desire to NOT do this.

I thought I had heard that Mr. Gibson had discussed his rebellious past and claims to have reformed. And that's a process that takes time.

I did specifically hear him say he was ashamed of some of the movies he had been in.

He's also a smoker. Then again, so was I for the first few years of my faith, until thanksgiving before last...

 

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Wow Spirit of truth, to not want to hear very many curse words, you sure know a lot about where you can hear them.

S&T:

Sorry, I try to deal in facts, and not form my opinions on feelings. To me. Mel is just like anyone else on the street, and this topic would not even be of interest if he was not being heralded as the director of the greatest tool for evangelism of the last 2000 years. What are the Baptist leaders thinking?

 

All I know is this place is giving me the blues & I'm sick of all these trashing the Passion and Mel threads. There must be at least 60 or 70 by now.

I can't wait to get to my SBC church Sunday where there is love, joy, peace, praise, and edification.

 

This whole Mel subject is getting a little tiring. Nobody on this board thinks he's a saint. He is what he is, which ain't perfect...so he would fit in just fine in a Baptist church. I'm sure some of the deacons would love to share a smoke with him on the front steps before the service.

Now, be careful where you get your groceries. That company might be supporting the liquor industry. And be careful where you get your prescriptions filled...they might be pornographers. And you better not watch ESPN or ABC...they're owned by Disney! Aghhhhh!

I'm amazed that the entire nation has started this incredible conversation about this movie, asking all kinds of questions, and putting the name of Jesus in prime time every night. And some of us would rather spend all our energy trying to boycott, or judge, or nitpick, or defame, or whatever. God help us if we don't have the sense to speak the truth in love and help people come to Christ, rather than spending all this time running down a movie.

You know, it's possible to hold your Biblical standards AND be in the world. And the last thing this world needs is another reason to reject the church...like a bunch of religious wacko's fussin' and fightin' over a movie. A movie that every single thinking, believing Christian KNOWS is not pure in doctrine, who KNOWS that Mel Gibson ain't Billy Graham, who KNOWS that the whole thing is Catholic evangelism. Who doesn't know that? So why not turn our energy onto more important matters, like taking advantage of the fact that every single person in your world has this movie on their mind, and we could be telling them the truth about the Person of the Passion?

 

Yeah, but Eisner's not in charge anymore!