Why the US Invaded Iraq

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  1. Crabtownboy

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    Seems that Bush went from one reason to another.

    From a speech given by Bush in October 2002

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html

    Well, those reasons didn't pan out as true. So ..............in 2005 he said:

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/08/31/bush_gives_new_reason_for_iraq_war/


    But, oh my, but in 2003 the following was stated:

    http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cach...ush+reasons+iraq+war&hl=cs&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=cz

    And in San Diego in a speech Bush said:

    http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cach...ush+reasons+iraq+war&hl=cs&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=cz

    I could give you more reasons, but well I have other things I need to do, and you get the drift. The reasons kept changing and changing and changing.

    Well, what was THE REASON we went?
     
  2. Mexdeaf

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    Because the Democrats voted for us to go. At least those who were in favor of it before they weren't.:laugh:
     
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    What is the purpose of this thread? You can't change history or the fact that we have been there. Your hero promises to get us out. Then there will be a blood bath between the Sunni, Shia, and the Kurds and you can blame Bush for the millions of lives that will be lost after Obama pulls our troops out. We know that according to some people, whatever horrors the future holds, it will be Bush's fault for the rest of our lives on this planet. And the world will blame America/Bush for all evil to come forever. :sleeping_2:
     
  4. Crabtownboy

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    I started it from another thread so some who were arguing there can continue and so that thread can go back to its OP topic.

    That there will be a blood bath when we pull out of Iraq is the very reason I was against the invasion before the invasion occurred. It does not matter if we pull out tomorrow or in 100 years, the blood bath will take place. The Kurds, Shia and Sunni have been killing each other for over 1300 years ... and that will continue and intensify as soon as we leave. I have a very hard time understanding how seemingly or supposed intelligent people did not know their history. Or perhaps those who protested were silenced.

    Saying that, I have no heros who are politicians. But I do recognize bad ones when I see them regardless of the party they are members of.

    I think you are wrong. Thank God his term is almost over. I was a Bush supporter until he proved himself so inept.
     
  5. Ed Edwards

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    One may not have purpose for a thread; one can, however, wallow in their confusion displaying it for all to see.

    In 2060 College students in American History 306 will be asked on their final project:

    Make a video using at least 8 different sources* showing 12 of the reasons why American and her allies had to invade Iraq in 2003. Include at least four reasons given by the then President Bush or his staff.

    * Use these standards for showing the video sources ( omitted for this post to save bandwidth).

    Then make a second part to the video using at least 8 different sources* showing 18 influences for good in 2060 that the 2003 Liberation of Iraq had for the United States of America & the Middle East.
     
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    LadyEagle pretty much summed it up for me. :sleeping_2:
     
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    Mr

    We wouldn't have the problem of getting out gracefully if we had never invaded Iraq in the first place. Are you saying we should never get out? Or maybe in 100 years like McCain said? If there's to be a (continuation of this) bloodbath it will be the fault of those who got us in.
     
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    If I hadn't gotten out of bed today, I wouldn't have to read this tripe. But I did. Now I just have to press on and figure out the best way to deal with it.
    Now wait a minute; Obama promised to get us out of Iraq. If he doesn't make good on his promise, it's Bush's fault?

    Please explain that one to me.
     
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    First, the OP addresses several different issues and conflates them. The first quote and third quote talk about why we got in. The second quote talks about why we should "continue fighting." In other words, the second quote has nothing to do with the topic at hand. This type of sloppy argumentation is weak and unacceptable.

    Second, any blood bath will be the fault of those who shed blood. It will not be the fault of those who "got us in there." Let's not shift blame. If someone kills someone else, the fault lies with the killer. This "blame Bush for everything" is pretty easy to see through.
     
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    He has to try to make the best of a bad situation. By your logic his predecessor could have invaded a sovereign nation, alienated all our allies, and destryoed our economy running a deficit of $1T. Oh, I suppose he did all that. It will take an extraordinary President with a strong supporting cast to get us out of this mess.
     
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    Don't forget the $10 Billion a month and the fact that a man lost his life at our command. Remember, we're pro-life.
     
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    At least some of us are...
     
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    You left out the most important reason that he gave - "We are fighting that enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan today so that we do not meet him again on our own streets, in our own cities."

    But maybe we should look at reasons that members of Congress (and one former president) gave for taking action in Iraq:

    "I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons." - Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi, 2002

    "We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict." – Senator Harry Reid, 2002

    "I approve of what's being done in Iraq now and the way it's being done, but it's not enough." Former President Clinton, 2004

    And so forth.


     
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    But the enemy we fear was not in Iraq until we got there. They came to fight us.

    Then again they are not really fighting us per se, they plant roadside bombs, load vehicles up with explosives and wear exploding suicide vest. Like Vietnam, we can't release our full military might without the rest of the free world turning against us so we must fight this war on their terms.

    Soon the Iraqi's will vote to allow us to stay and Bush has already agreed to pull us out in 3 years. I don't know what else our presence in Iraq serves to gain.
     
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    Yes, Al Qaeda felt obligated to come and defeat us there. If US strategy was to fight them on ground other than our own, as Pres. Bush said it was, then it was successful.

    I think our continued presence in Iraq is to discourage the Iranians from moving in and taking over.
     
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    If we really want a serious discussion here instead of bantering back and forth and finger pointing, it helps to know a little history and background. I will attempt to provide some information for those who are truly interested. It is not just that there were "weapons of mass destruction" which we found out was apparently not true or they were shipped out of the country, there was "bad" intelligence forcefed to our CIA and a Mr. Chalabi who formed the Iraqi National Congress and lobbied our Congress (both Republicans and Democrats and of which OUR TAX DOLLARS funded his organization) to oust Saddam so that he could be the next leader of the country, all the while personally forging strong ties with Iran. That history goes way back even during Bush I and Clinton years, but more on that later:

    First, it would have been nice if our leaders would have learned from history and Winston Churchill's debaucle in Iraq which nearly bankrupt the Treasury of England and cost many lives during the quagmire there.

    You can read the entire text here:

    http://www.winstonchurchill.org/files/public/Ungrateful_Volcano.pdf

    Here is a link about the Iraqi National Congress:

    http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/crs-iraq-op.htm


    And there is an extensive timeline about Mr. Chalabi at the source below - these are snipped but the rest can be read by those who are interested at the link: (bolding is mine)



    http://www.historycommons.org/timel...omplete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq

    People both on this board and throughout this country and world, as well as the press, for years and years have blamed GW Bush for "invading Iraq" without bothering to investigate what really went on behind the scenes or a timeline of events.

    I made my tongue in cheek comments because the historical and background ignorance of good people has been spewed forth on this board for many years by those who don't know a hill of beans of what they are talking about, but suck up the pablum proffered by the major media and propaganda of various groups without taking the time to investigate the facts. There is no excuse for ignorance when you have access to the Internet, IMO.

    I believe the "blame" for Iraq can be laid at the feet of many, of those of our elected leaders who are too arrogant to realize that history may repeat itself, without really doing fact finding and for trusting unverifiable intelligence, of bowing to pressure from lobbyists, of throwing American tax dollars at groups who do not represent the best interests of Americans as a whole, of a failed foreign policy under several presidents, and the list goes on.

    I also believe, that no matter what Pres. elect Obama has promised the American people on the road to the WH, there are policies and plans that have been in place for many many years, facts that the American people do NOT know, and that he will have limited power as to our foreign policy towards Iraq and the Middle East, just has GW Bush, Clinton, Bush I, and others have had. Rhetoric is cheap when one is outside looking in.

    Now that Pres elect Obama is being filled in with the REAL inside information and the various global terrorist threats and intel from various agencies (threats that did not begin and were not exacerbated by our invasion of Iraq, BTW), Obama's policies will probably remain on course as has been laid out for many years. When people start to realize that any President has no clean slate to work with, the finger pointing may stop. Pres Elect Obama deserves our prayers because he is going to need them.

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  17. dragonfly

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    I believe the real reason you and LadyEagle don't want to discuss this thread is because you do not want to face the fact that this was an ill-conceived war in which you, along with the rest of the American people, were misled into supporting.

    I believe the real reason we are in Iraq is so that companies, like Haliburtion, which has close ties to this current administration, could bilk the American people out of billions of dollars. What better time to do this than while using the attacks on America as cover for profiteering.
     
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    Obviously you made this post without reading my lengthy post right above this one of yours. :wavey:

    Here: http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1327635&postcount=16
     
  19. dragonfly

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    Anyone can cut and paste articles that support anything they want. I seldom waste my time reading such articles. Judging by the highlighted portion of your posting, is seems you are just blaming Clinton instead of Bush.
     
  20. Crabtownboy

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    Invading Iraq not only was ill conceived, it showed a shocking ignorance of the history of the region. Not only that but it took resources away from Afghanstan and we are paying dearly for that now. That is where the real enemy was.

    Invading Iraq provided the best recruiting tool the terrorists could have hoped for and we handed it to them.

    It is simply a disaster that was totally unnecessary. We have spent billions upon billions and have very little to show. We have had over 30,000 young men and women mained for life and over 3000 killed. What a waste of lives. There is no real democracy in Iraq. The Sunni, Shei and Kurds will return to chaos and killing each other as soon as we leave and only after another iron willed merciless dictator imposes his will and brutally enforces the peace will that chaos end ... but he will continue to kill any and all he sees as enemies.

    Eagle, Clinton might have done a better job ... but it was Bush who ordered the invasion. There is no way around this. It was, is, and forever will be Bush's war.
     
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