Why was the KJV Bible given to Anglo Saxons Only?

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  1. Ben W

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    This is very much a genuine question for people that are into KJVO. As much as this is thrown around in debate, why is it so?

    Why was the KJV given only to people that spoke English and were white?

    Consider the races around the world that followed God at the time, the Moravians in particular in Europe. German, Swiss speaking people. How about those in the Baltic states, some of the most populas Christian countries in the world. Why did God not give them a Bible in there own languages if there had to be a perfect version that superseded the rest?

    I have recently begun to really have a look at the Moravians, there Christianity was far more pure than what was happening in England whichin some cases was little more than Paganism veneered with Christianity. The official Church of England was actually persecuting and murdering Born Again Christians, many Anabaptists were drowned. So why not give a perfect version of the Bible to the Moravians who were clearly those that carried the Gospel to the nations. There witness ultimately birthed the Methodist Church, one of the great revivals in the west.
     
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    Think of the King James Version in terms of England only. Prior to it, there was no common Bible to be read in public in the common language. England was not always English. At one time, the common language was French. Latin was used in the schools, and royalty spoke German.

    It was a unifying force and coupled with the work of Chaucer made one language for the people. It was never intended for the world at large.

    As for the Church of England and persecution, the Puritans were not innocent of cruelty either, nor the Presbyterians, neither Calvin nor Luther. They all had their flaws.

    We owe a great deal to the Church of England for preserving theology. Just think about all the English scholars in that church who wrote books of great importance. The Life of Christ by Edersheim, for one example. Then the CofE gave us the Wesleys and Whitfield, a great evangelical force in history. By the way, the Wesleys did not meet the Moravians until they were aboard ship to North America. Until that time, they were Anglican.

    What copy of scripture is totally accurate? Read them all. Take the best from the worst and learn of Him.

    Cheers,

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    Ben;
    I don't know why God does (did) some things. Perhaps because He already knew it would be the English speaking people who would ultimately evangelize every continent on earth, as you see in history is exactly what happened.
    I do not discount the tremendous contribution other nations and languages have offered in the endeavor, but the fact remains, it is the ENGLISH who "went to the uttermost parts of the earth".
    We see it most clearly today, since the language most spoken around the world, whether it be the primary or secondary languge of a people, is English.
    Your point that the Church of England did many atrocious things does not negate these facts.
    Why did God use Jews to carry the gospel since the OFFICIAL Jewish religion killed thousands of believers? Why did God use the Romans like He did in order for the evangelists to go to the known world of that time? The OFFICIAL Roman government killed perhaps millions of believers.
    Could it be that the axiom is true? The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church? If only on the natural plane this is true then it follows that in the midst of the persecution of believers by the Church of England, the Gospel has encircled the globe literally, not just the known world but the entire world.
    Just a couple thoughts mixed in with a few maybes.
    As I said at the beginning of this post, I really do not know why God does(did) some things.
    Jim
     
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    av1611jim said "I really do not know why God does(did) some things."

    But how do you know that God does some things? How and where has he informed us about the exclusive and inerrant perfection of the KJV?
     
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    Then how can you say the KJV is the ONLY "official" English BV?

    And when the English-speaking missionaries went throughout the world, even if they were reading from the KJV, translating it into , say, Bantu, as they read, they doubtlessly spoke the Bantu style used by their audience. They didn't try to learn/speak the Bantu of 400 years earlier.
     
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    "Because the White race is God's chosen people and are the only one He chose to give it to" KJVO

    Boy I'm gald I'm white.

    1cross+3nails=4given
     
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    KJVonly = racism and elitism of the worse kind

    Let's get busy and make sure our missionaries are teaching how to read Jacobean English so that the heathen might truly be saved.
     
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    Let's make sure people are taking the pure word of God around the world so that there will be power in their preaching. That would be the KJB.

    MV or any V is scholarshipism and elitism and humanism combimed.

    Why did God give the promises to Israel and consider the gentiles dogs. Because he did and because he is God.
    Just be thankful that you get to have some of the crumbs that fell from the table.
     
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    Say what????

    Now that makes sense!!!!
     
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    Uh... Israel is God's chosen people.
     
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    ...and the Gentiles were included later...
     
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    Yes but not as God's chosen people. The nation of Israel is.
     
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    yummie. Better yet, my bread is fresh, while you insist the entire world eat your bread, which to so many is simply stale.
     
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    yummie. Better yet, my bread is fresh, while you insist the entire world eat your bread, which to so many is simply stale. </font>[/QUOTE]Spoken like a true Isrealite dissatisfyed with manna for 400 years.
    Jim [​IMG]
     
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    obviously I am tired and can't type clearly any more. g'nite
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    "Perhaps because He already knew it would be the English speaking people who would ultimately evangelize every continent on earth, as you see in history is exactly what happened."
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    The same can be said of the German speakers, the Dutch speakers and the people who use Latin in their Liturgy.
     
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    So do KJVOs believe that Germans, the French, the Chinese, the Russians, etc. have to learn English so they can read the KJV to get God's word? Seems rather exclusive and contradictory of God, especially as He chose Hebrew for the OT and Greek for the NT.

    I asked this before on another thread but never got an answer from a KJVO person.

    Do you KJVOs believe that God does not reveal His word to non-English people unless they read the KJV?
     
  18. Ben W

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    Absolutly smacked the nail on the head Marcia! The KJVO movement outright rejects any versions that are in another language. They quite openly state that for a Bible Translation in another language to be acceptable it must be translated from the 1611 KJV Bible into that language.

    The Moravians were clearly chosen by God to spread the Gospel. Until William Carey came along the only missions by the organised church were the Jesuit missions. The Moravians planted churches and spread the gospel everywhere, centuries later it was a group of Moravians on a ship that led Charles Wesley to understand what it was to be "Born Again".
     
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    But how do you know that God does some things? How and where has he informed us about the exclusive and inerrant perfection of the KJV?
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    Really read, and comprehend John 10, 16 and 17. Then maybe someday, hopefully and prayerfully you will understand. Unfortunately you &lt;edited by moderator&gt;.


    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle

    [ August 24, 2004, 10:02 AM: Message edited by: C4K ]
     
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    KJVonly = racism and elitism of the worse kind

    Let's get busy and make sure our missionaries are teaching how to read Jacobean English so that the heathen might truly be saved.
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    And THIS IS A LIE and a false witness BASED UPON YOUR OPINION, NOT FACT, nor TRUTH. Shame on you.

    You hide the truth because you won't give up your scholary wisdom and attack those who threaten it.
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    love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
    michelle

    [ August 24, 2004, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob ]
     

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