Why Would a Pastor Condone Freemasonry

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  1. O.F.F.

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    At the present time, the issue of Freemasonry is being considered in a growing number of churches throughout the United States. Many people who have never been involved in Freemasonry know very little about it.

    Paul knew that the church would not only be attacked, but also infiltrated. He wrote to Timothy, urging him to not simply preach the Gospel, but to always be prepared to correct errors and to rebuke those who embraced them. Paul's advice to Timothy was to:

    To the Church Paul warns:

    The church is under attack from without, from within, and sometimes even from the pulpit. Many congregations have been infiltrated and compromised by an invisible cult within our midst.

    Click on the following link to learn more, and to answer the question:

    Why would a Pastor Condone, or Defend Freemasonry?
     
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    One possible reason could be that the entire church "board", most of the elders and half the deacons are freemasons, and he fears for his job.

    I remember several years ago, maybe 15 or so...I was attending a SBC church at the time...freemasonry was a big subject that year at the convention. In the midst of all the discussion about what the "official" statement of the SBC should be, several pastors were interviewed and told horror stories about how they knew pastors who were told by the church board that if he didnt stop preaching against freemasonry they would fire him immedietly.

    He didnt, and they did.

    Job security could be a reason.

    Praise God for those men who did not back down and were fired. They are right where God wants them to be, and it wouldnt suprise me if every one of them is being used mightily by God in some other ministry, or church, since they were supposedly "fired"

    As if a group of men can "fire" one of Gods servants.

    God bless,

    Mike
     
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    I am not sure if Masonry's teachings are anti-Christian or not. Frankly, I'm worn-out over the posts on this issue, as the back-and-forth doesn't seem to come to any resolution. That said, WHY would anyone want to be a part of an organization that TAKES AWAY from time better spent at Church???
     
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    Mike (D28guy),

    To your point, Stoney Shaw is a man who has stood firm in defending the Gospel. Only two of the deacons in his church stood with him. Stoney explains why we cannot let down our guard, even if it means losing your job as a pastor.

    He stressed that we must be ready and willing to defend the Gospel when it comes under attack from Freemasonry, or from any other source, regardless of the consequences. Pastors must speak out on heretical issues if they are to discharge the duties of their calling.

    If you have "real player," listen to his testimony on the following link:

    The Importance of Defending the Gospel

    Mike
     
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    Perhaps there are more important doctrines to preach and the gospel itself without attacking charitable organizations such as the Lions Club, the Legion,Moose, Elk, ad nauseum, Masonry and the Shriners.

    If we spent more time preaching sanctification, prayer, worship and study of the word, it seems that these outside organizations wouldn't be a threat.

    On the challenge to the pastorate, there isn't a man on earth who could curtail my preaching of the gospel and the doctrines of the Lord Jesus. The local assembly has every right to disengage me on political grounds. The pulpit is for worship and the preaching of te word, and not a political platform.

    Cheers,

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    Mike(OFF),

    Thanks! That was a good message. Very sad sometimes, unfortunetly...but still good. Very much needed.

    God bless,

    Mike
     
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    Jim,

    I dont know the 1st thing about the Mooses, Elks, Lions, or Legions, but Freemasonry is far more than just a "benevolent" organisation. And I am not argueing that they do lots of good work...they do. But regarding the "heart and soul" of freemasonry, buried under the thin veneer that most people see, there is very dangerous poision.

    I tend to agree with you on that point. However, the masonic lodge infiltrates churchs where all that is going on.

    I agree, and I would venture to say that these men who were "fired" are still being used mightily by God, in spite of this situation where they were forced out for proclaiming the truth concerning Satan infiltrating the church.

    God help those who sided with Satan over Gods man...

    Peace,

    Mike
     
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    Jim,

    I am not sure if you read my post to you on the Freemasonry thread recently closed, but I responded to one of your post there where you said:

    Not sure how long you traveled as a Mason, but you should know that the only secrets of Freemasonry are the Modes of Recognition (signs, due guards, passwords and tokens, which are the grips or secret handshakes).

    As a Christian, you should know that nothing God has to offer is a secret, especially the essential doctrines that are the foundation that supports our faith. You have no Masonic obligation to hold as a secret the doctrine(s) of the historic Christian faith.

    However, I do not want you feel as though I am pressuring you to share with us specifically why you left the Masonic Order. If you feel I am imposing, I will certainly back O.F.F. (pun intended). Yet, if you left for doctrinal reasons, you should not want any other Christian to join the Lodge for the same reasons.

    I too left for doctrinal reasons. And, I feel it is very important for saints to know that while Freemasonry does a lot of good philantropy, its teachings are incompatible with biblical Christianity for the following doctrinal reasons:

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    • It teaches a false concept of God, via the presentation of the letter "G" (GAOTU) in the 2nd degree and its mischaracterization written in Grand Lodge literature that suggests all concepts of God are essentially the same (Landmark 19 & 22).</font>
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    • It teaches a false concept of the Word of God, via Masonic Landmark #21, regarding the VSL or Volume of Sacred Law. The "Book of the Law" is that volume which, by the religion of the Mason, is believed to contain the revealed will of the Grand Architect of the Universe (GAOTU).</font>
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    • It teaches a false plan of salvation via "works" rather than via faith in Jesus Christ alone, as presented in the lecture of the White Lambskin Apron as a symbol or "reminded of that purity of life and rectitude of conduct so essential to gaining admission to the Celestial Lodge above." And, from the lecture of the Common Gavel as an instrument to control sin in a Mason's life, thereby fitting or preparing one for heaven.</font>
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    • Scripture is corrupted time and again within Freemasonry to present “lessons” that the Bible (the Word of God) never intended to teach. Employing historical Scripture to present a Temple that is a gnostic representation of man is more than simple misapplication. Its intent is to deceive those that know no better by lending Scriptural credence to false teachings.</font>
    Therefore, while there are other issues, these are all reasons why no Christian should have anything to do with the Masonic Order.

    As for oaths, it is the opinion of O.F.F. and Ex-Masons for Jesus that we're not obligated to an oath which was rendered to us under false pretenses. As far as we are concern, the oaths which we took are null and void.

    The Masonic God (G.A.O.T.U.) is not The One True Living God of Holy Scripture. Such an oath made before men at the altar of Freemasonry is not before the God of the Bible. It is a vain and false oath, rendered to a false deity, and is to be exposed as the deception that it is---a lie!

    But for discussion sake, let's assume the oath is made to the God of the Bible, then He has released us from them.

    Leviticus 5:4-6 makes it clear that when something is hidden from a man (in this case, the fact that the teachings of the Lodge violate God's Word) and he takes an oath thoughtlessly, he is guilty of sin. When he recognizes it as sin (which we have) he may be released from it by confessing it as such and claiming the promise found in 1 John 1:8-9; "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

    As for the Levitical demand for a sin offering, praise God that He offered His Son, Jesus Christ, as full payment for our sin debt, once and for all! The day we made that confession, and renounced Masonic teachings, and claimed the promises of God, was the day He set us free from the obligations, deceptions and bondage of Freemasonry.

    Jim, Freemasonry dishonored you when they had you take an oath to an organization whose teachings dishonor God and His Word. Masons want you to feel guilty and dishonorable if you violate your Masonic oath. However, as long as you remain silent for the Lodge you now no longer belong to, you remain in bondage through obedience to men, rather than being truly free through obedience to God.

    You do not owe the Masonic Lodge anything, the least of which your allegiance to their bloody oaths. Don't let the Enemy (satan) deceive you by keeping you captive to the Masonic Order by an obligation. For your allegiance belongs to Jesus Christ who has set you free!

    Sincerely in His Grip,

    Mike Gentry
     
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    Jim, you said:

    The point of this very thread is to say, that to the extent to which "Masonic Thinking" infiltrates the church, so will its false teachings subvert the very gospel being preached.

    "Masonic Thinking" doesn't only come from the Masonic Lodge; the Masonic worldview is the prevailing religious ideology of the world today. The idea that all concepts of God are essentially the same is one of the most pervasive views of our post-modern pluralistic society. As one may ask, don't all religions lead to God?

    The Masonic worldview of the "Volume of Sacred" is also no exception. Many people here agree that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, but the world will ask, is it exclusively inspired? What about the Upanishads? Or the Koran?

    Let's face it, apart from Christianity, most religions teach salvation by "works." What does Jesus have to do with it? Isn't this the common view in our world today: "If one is just, and lives a relatively "good" life our loving heavenly father -- who understands our shortcomings -- will certainly forgive us and allow us into heaven, with or without Jesus Christ."

    Jim, I agree, the pulpit should not be a political platform. However, Freemasonry and the ideology it propagates is not a political issue, it's an unavoidable, heretical issue that the Body of Christ (The Church) must face and address, not only from the pulpit, but wherever God leads saints to do so. This forum, and those like it, is a great place to do so in this new medium called the Worldwide Web (Internet).

    Mike

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    Again I say, if we preach the unadulterated truth of God's word, there is no need to name cults. Let every man examine for himself that these things are so.

    Now, in defence, somewhat, of some masonic lodges, comprised mostly of twice born men, meetings can be a very spiritual event. These men behave differently and apply different interpretations. I cannot knock these men, but I can preach the word. Yes, there are some lodges, and prolly the majority, who are secular at best. Then so is the Legion, the Lions Clubs and many other fraternal orders. Are we to spend all our valuable times "exposing" all these cults? As I look over the churches to-day, I see all manner of evil far more imposing than these organiations. Divorcement is at an all-time high, even among Christians. Separation from the world is almost non-existant. They were called Christians first at Antioch. Why? It was because they lived lives that told forth their lifestyle. There was no second guessing. That can't be said to-day. So, I say, preach the word and all these things should fall into line. If the world believes in universalism who is at fault? We mainly have ourselves to blame because we occupy the pulpit with everything but sound docrine. That, my friend, is the thrust of my message, and not whether freemasonry is right or wrong.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Is this the way we are supposed to view all sin? Is the preacher simply supposed to preach the unadulterated truth, but then let individuals decide if it is actually sin or not and live accordingly?

    It seems to me that if one were to practice what you are saying, there would be no such thing as accountability within the church. It seems to me that you are throwing 1 Corinthians 5 right out the window.


    To answer the original question:

    Many churches are more interested in money than making waves. Many Masons have money and are powerful people in the community.

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    Jim, personally I sense a bit of Masonic sympathizing on your part, but I could be wrong.

    As I read your posts, a passage of Scripture comes to my mind:

    Jude 1

    3Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. 4For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are…men, who change the grace of our God…and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign Lord.

    IMHO, I think it is difficult to contend for the faith if you know Masons have slipped in among your congregation and you simply ignore the fact that they are there.

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    If a person wishes to Preach against Freemasonry if they are led by God to do so than so be it. But is they do it out of there opnion and not by the influnce of the Holy Spirit than they are doing it for personal gain. As I stated before Dr. Gary Leazer one of the Researches for the SBC at the time of the Study Shows that according to Him Jesus is mentioned in the Lodge. Faith in the Merits of the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. In the Knights Templar a Masonic Body were are told it is through the Saving Grace of Jesus Christ that we receive Salavtion. These statements fly in the Face that Jesus is not mentioned in the Lodge when even the SBC admitts Christ is mentioned in the Lodge. The just do not like the words used by Freemasonry because they can be so easily taken out of context this is what SBC states about Freemasonry. Again I can witness Jesus Christ to anyone in the Lodge as long as it is not open for Business at that time we are to conduct business or else none of the needed people we help will be feed or have bills paid.

    At my Lodge we have many deccussions while business is not taking place such as the following:

    The Age of the Earth
    The Saving Grace of Jesus Christ
    The Trinity
    Praying for sick Brothers
    Saturday night we talked about Doctors and how we perfer to see a Doctor who is Christian.

    Never once were we told to be quit or stop.

    There are so many things mike does not tell you about Freemasonry and how Jesus is mention. There is not savior called Hiram. Hiram is a man who worked on King Solomons Temple you can read about Him in 2King and Chro in the Old Testiment at the Building of King Solomons Temple. And Hiram has been dead for a long time.

    Here is a link to a website if you wish to honestly study Freemasonry you will look at both sides Mike gave you a link to E5-11 through the Real Player link He posted Here is a couple Pro Masonic site.

    www.thelodgeroom.com

    http://p081.ezboard.com/fmomministryofmasonsfrm31.showMessageRange?topicID=43.topic&start=1&stop=20
     
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    Corey (Jacob Webber),

    In your perpetual denial, you want to supper impose a Christian meaning onto every aspect of Freemasonry. It is sad that you are trapped in such a delusion, but nothing could be further from the truth. I will continue to pray for you and ask God to remove the spiritual "hoodwink" of Masonic deception.

    You need to ask yourself a question. Why is it that when you visit a Christian discussion board that has a topic on Freemasonry, it is always under a thread relating to the occult, cults, or other false religions. I challenge you to find me a Christian website that positively promotes the Masonic Order. If it were really Christian that should not be very hard to find.

    I encourage all of the viewers here to go to the websites Corey has recommended. Skim through some of the threads, particularly those with titles that you would think should give a solid Christian perspective. If you are grounded in the Word of God and fully understand sound Christian doctrine, you will soon see the Masonic worldview and its incompatibility with biblical Christianity that these threads reveal.

    Also, don't forget that we have here a closed thread entitled "Freemasonry," with a rather lengthy discussion from both sides of the issue. It's worth revisiting to get additional information.

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    Corey said:

    Dr. Gary Leazer sold out and compromised the Christian faith by becoming a Mason himself. His contributions to the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) research didn't change the SBC's overall position against Freemasonry, found in "A Closer Look at Freemasonry," which is:

    As for the York Rite (Knight Templar) being the Christian branch of Freemasonry, Corey knows good and well that Freemasonry doesn't delve into anyone's true beliefs at the Blue Lodge level and they certainly will not do so at the York Rite level. If a non-believer wants York Rite "light" all he has to do is say he is a Christian, as no one will investigate his claim any further than a "said" faith.

    The Blue Lodge is the foundation of the Masonic Order. If pagans can join at that level, they are free to continue in every other branch at the higher levels. Freemasonry is biblically corrupt at its foundation, therefore the entire edifice is corrupt.

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    Mike
    Could you post the points that are non-biblical. For me I would like to read them. As for Gary Leazer He did not become a Mason until after He was pushed into recignation. Again Mike you leave out the part where Dr. Gary Leazer says that Freemasonry teaches Salvation thru Jesus Christ by the Following: Faith in the Merits of the Lion of the Tribe of Judah is how we gain access to Heaven. This is from the Study the SBC done.

    As far as delving into someones beliefs at the Blue Lodge level you are simple wrong. You are asked in you believe in a Supreme Being it does not have to be YHWH they ask because they want to know if you feel accountable for your actions. Also some lodges ask what church you belong. Because in some states religions that support man married to more than one woman is not allowed to be made a mason.

    And Yes it is true you can lie about being a Christian and join the York Right. But you are told to uphold the Christian Faith above all others. You prayers will begin and end in the Name of Jesus Christ while at meetings. But Mike is wrong they will investigate to a point. But the same goes for a person who would want to bring False teachings to the Chruch they can go to the Alter claim salvation even thou they do not believe in Christ maybe just to date a person attending there who knows. I have heard it done before.

    If I teach God demains us to be with out sin to enter Heaven, The Love your neighbor, to be Charitiable, That God is the Threefold aspect of the Trinity, If I call God Jehovah, If I say Man's soul is immortal. If I say Faith in the Merits of the Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Rev 5:5) is how one gets to Heaven. Are any of these non-Biblical Teachings.

    You asked way is Freemasonry under cults on some boards. It is because of misinformation.
     
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    Again Freemasonry teaches that God comes first. If you feel that you need to leave Freemasonry for what ever reason wether be no time or your duties you own to God are requiring more of your time than leave. No one who abids by the teachings of Freemasonry will condim you. But do tell half truths about encourage others to look at both sides the Pro and Anti. I found that with some not all they are just looking for a fight. You give your testimony and they say it is without merit. They tell you that you are going to Hell. To some it does not matter wether you prfess a Faith in Jesus Christ or not as long as you are a Mason you are going to Hell. Now I will say this there has been a couple of anti-masonic people who have not been this way and I applaud them for it I will not mention names but Mike knows the person of which I speak.
     
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    Corey, you asked:

    To review the eight points, simply click on the link in my second to the last post on page one of this thread that reads "A Closer Look at Freemasonry." You can respond to the entire article if you'd like. If you do not have adobe reader, then here are the eight points:

    (1) Freemasonry uses offensive, non-biblical, and blasphemous terms relating to God.

    (2) Freemasonry insists on the use of “bloody oaths” or obligations, which are strictly forbidden by the Bible (cf.Matt. 5:34-37).

    (3) Freemasonry urges that occultic and/or pagan readings be used, and that their teachings be appropriated in interpreting such concepts as the Trinity.

    (4) Freemasonry includes the Bible as part of the “furniture of the lodge,” but only as an equal with non-Christian symbols and writings.

    (5) Freemasonry misuses the term “light” to refer to moral “reformation” as a means to salvation.

    (6) Freemasonry teaches that salvation may be attained by “good works” and not through faith in Christ alone.

    (7) Freemasonry advocates in many of its writings the non-biblical teachings of universalism.

    (8) In some of its lodges, Freemasonry discriminates against nonwhites.

    Please let us know in what Blue Lodge degree within the ritual of what jurisdiction does Freemasonry teach that Jesus in the only way to heaven? To state the opinion of one Mason who, like yourself, super imposes Christian meaning to Masonic teaching just doesn't line up with the authoritative position of any Grand Lodge in the world.

    If I am wrong, please provide the Grand Lodge documentation that supports that Freemasonry teaches a plan of salvation by faith in Jesus Christ. Also, you cannot find one Mason from the two Masonic websites you recommended earlier (M.o.M. or thelodgeroom.com) -- or anywhere else for that matter -- who will support the fact that Freemasonry teaches a plan of salvation AT ALL; let only the biblical plan. In fact, I challenge you to find ANY other Mason besides Dr. Gary Leazer and youself who will back you on your delusion and WHO CAN PROVE IT via Grand Lodge documentation.

    Corey, it's not a matter of what you teach or what Gary Leazer says. What matters is what Freemasonry teaches through Grand Lodge literature. When examined under the light of Scripture, it is clear that Masonic literature teaches heresy, plain and simple. I know you desperately want Freemasonry to be Christian, but it's not; it never was and never will be.

    Quit trying to undermine the firsthand experience of former Masons. As Ex-Masons for Jesus we are primary witnesses in the Christian case against Freemasonry. Unfortunately, the Masonic Lodge stands guilty as charged -- it is incompatible with biblical Christianity.

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    (1) Freemasonry uses offensive, non-biblical, and blasphemous terms relating to God.

    I believe this is about the Worshipful Master which in Mid ages terms means respectable man

    (2) Freemasonry insists on the use of “bloody oaths” or obligations, which are strictly forbidden by the Bible (cf.Matt. 5:34-37).

    Eastons Bible Dictionary
    Oath

    A solemn appeal to God, permitted on fitting occasions #De 6:13 #Jer 4:2 in various forms #Ge 16:5 2Sa 12:5 Ru 1:17 Ho 4:15 #Ro 1:9 and taken in different ways #Ge 14:22 24:2 2Ch 6:22 God is represented as taking an oath #Heb 6:16-18 so also Paul #Ro 9:1 Ga 1:20 Php 1:8 The precept, "Swear not at all," refers probably to ordinary conversation between man and man #Mt 5:34,37 But if the words are taken as referring to oaths, then their intention may have been to show "that the proper state of Christians is to require no oaths; that when evil is expelled from among them every yea and nay will be as decisive as an oath, every promise as binding as a vow."

    3) Freemasonry urges that occultic and/or pagan readings be used, and that their teachings be appropriated in interpreting such concepts as the Trinity.

    This is not True Albert Pike is not seen as and is not recommended reading by a majority of Masons

    (4) Freemasonry includes the Bible as part of the “furniture of the lodge,” but only as an equal with non-Christian symbols and writings.

    I have ask several non mason Pastors about how they feel about this they say it does not bother them. And I follow with this question everytime you talk about the stuff in your House do you specificly point out every time that there is a Bible in your House our do you say Stuff. This point has no merit


    (5) Freemasonry misuses the term “light” to refer to moral “reformation” as a means to salvation.

    Again this is False Freemasonry uses the term Light to represent Knowledge not Salvation

    (6) Freemasonry teaches that salvation may be attained by “good works” and not through faith in Christ alone.

    Again I Fasle nowhere does Freemasonry teach Salvation unless you are reffering to what the SBC Study said that Freemasonry teaches Salvation thru Jesus Christ: Faith in the Merits of the Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Rev 5:5) is how one gains admittents into Heaven.

    (7) Freemasonry advocates in many of its writings the non-biblical teachings of universalism.

    Freemasonry does teach some not all of non-biblical teachings are universal. Like if you act in an unkind way it will come back on you this is thought in many non-biblical teachings but still holds truth to it.

    (8) In some of its lodges, Freemasonry discriminates against nonwhites.

    I will not lie this is True as in everywhere in the nation including Churches. Freemasonry does not require a certain color of Skin to join if a person is rejected on basis of Color it is against the Teachings of Freemasonry. And I would like to also point out there are intergrated Lodges in Tennessee and all around the world. In my Lodge we have members of Native Americain descent no one complains and they are non-white I guess but when you get down to it we are all the same color some just have more or less of it.


    (Please let us know in what Blue Lodge degree within the ritual of what jurisdiction does Freemasonry teach that Jesus in the only way to heaven? To state the opinion of one Mason who, like yourself, super imposes Christian meaning to Masonic teaching just doesn't line up with the authoritative position of any Grand Lodge in the world)

    It was not my statement it was from the Study done on Freemasonry from the SBC.

    (If I am wrong, please provide the Grand Lodge documentation that supports that Freemasonry teaches a plan of salvation by faith in Jesus Christ. Also, you cannot find one Mason from the two Masonic websites you recommended earlier (M.o.M. or thelodgeroom.com) -- or anywhere else for that matter -- who will support the fact that Freemasonry teaches a plan of salvation AT ALL; let only the biblical plan. In fact, I challenge you to find ANY other Mason besides Dr. Gary Leazer and youself who will back you on your delusion and WHO CAN PROVE IT via Grand Lodge documentation.)

    Again it was the Study by the SBC that states it. But if you goto the link I provide there is an explianation there on the Symbols of Freemasonry includding the Lion of the Tribe of Judah.


    (Corey, it's not a matter of what you teach or what Gary Leazer says. What matters is what Freemasonry teaches through Grand Lodge literature. When examined under the light of Scripture, it is clear that Masonic literature teaches heresy, plain and simple. I know you desperately want Freemasonry to be Christian, but it's not; it never was and never will be.)

    Again Mike what does the Grand Lodge teach that is Heresy. I gave answers to all eight which some parts of the question were left out like the part about the SBC not liking the Language used because it can be easliy taken out of context. They did not say it was wrong but that it can easily be misunderstood. Such as the Lamb Skin you take to be a plan of salvation. While I was studying Freemasonry before I became a Mason I presented it to several non-Mason Preaches some of which were anti Masonic and they said it tells that you have to be without sin to enter Heaven no plan of salvation only the requirement God has laid down for all.


    (Quit trying to undermine the firsthand experience of former Masons. As Ex-Masons for Jesus we are primary witnesses in the Christian case against Freemasonry. Unfortunately, the Masonic Lodge stands guilty as charged -- it is incompatible with biblical Christianity.)

    I am not trying to undermind your experience in Fremasonry it must have been a bad one or you did not really study it that much. I am just trying to get you to present the Truth not just bits and pieces that suit your cause.

    I fully admitt there are non-christians in Freemasonry it is not a Christian Frat I never said it was, But the teachings of Christ are in it. The Knights Templar is a Christian Masonic Frat and Salvation thru Jesus Christ is taught in it. That is why only those who profess a Faith in Jesus Christ can join. And also the Ritual in the Blue Lodge comes from the York Rite the Christian Frat so there is no wonder as to why Christ teachings are in the Blue Lodge.
     
  20. Pennsylvania Jim

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    Could I compormise and join the "Cheapmasons" as a lesser-evil strategy?
     

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