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Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by LadyEagle, Feb 1, 2003.
It should not surprise us when lost people do these type of things.
A wild guess. But if I'm right I want you to donate £5 to your favourite charity.
The mosque in Syria has the tomb of John The Baptist in it and the Pope, like many Christians (including Baptists) went in to take a quick look and a quick prayer.
If I'm wrong I've give my £5 to Cathod.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
No matter how many times the ridiculousness of these types of accusations are uncovered people seem to pull out more unrepentedly.
This mosque is actually built over the sight of a Catholic Church, St John's. apparently built over the tomb or atleast the head of St John the Baptist. FYI most of the muslim world exists in captured Christian countries. In this case they tore down the Catholic Church that had stood there for aprox 300 yrs in many other cases the Muslims just used the existing church.
Secondly are you suggesting that there are times and places when/where you shouldn't pray to God.
[ February 01, 2003, 08:06 PM: Message edited by: Born Again Catholic ]
As a Baptist, I'm just curious if Catholics ever question anything the pope does. That's the reason for these two posts about the Quran and the mosque. Curiosity.
First I try not to prove my own superiority over anyone by showing how there a sinner and I am not. Because I am a sinner and even the Pope confesses his sins regularly.
What you don't realize is that from a Catholic prospective Baptist/protestants give there pastors more power than the Pope has over issues of faith and morals.
So you're saying that praying in the dome of the rock would be acceptable then? Even though it is an abomination to God and stands on the temple mount? I'd say no.
Essentialy it is no sin to walk into a mosque.
In many muslim countries, anyone who converts to islam is killed or treated poorly in the community. As a result many converts from Islam still pray in the Mosques, all be it to our lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Some numbers are rumored to be around 40% in some mosques.
Imagine what would happen if Christians had the same rights as Islam in Muslim countries, and you could simply choose by free will which religion you could follow. Christianity would boom overnight, just like what is happening in Africa and Indonesia at present. Persecution is rife in Indonesia, yet the church is really growing there.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. </font>[/QUOTE]I did not know he was my brother in Christ. I have never heard him profess to be born again.
Even more sad. You can not join christianity with evil who hate Christ. Doesn't seem to matter what the pope does, he obviously can do nothing wrong.
"I did not know he was my brother in Christ. I have never heard him profess to be born again."
Hmmm. That is all he has to do is say "I be bone agin"? Doesn't it say, not everyone who says Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but those who DO THE WILL OF MY FATHER. I know people who have said they were born again who fornicate and get drunk. What do you think of them? Have you ever read any of his writings or heard him speak. He preaches Christ I hate to tell ya. By the way, I haven't heard you say you were born again. I am. Born of water and spirit through the waters of Baptism in which I recieved his Holy Spirit, which was strengthed at confirmation by my Bishop.
The pope would pray in a mosque because as Catholics, we believe that God is accessible everywhere, not just in a Christian Church building. God is omnipresent.
"Even more sad. You can not join christianity with evil who hate Christ. Doesn't seem to matter what the pope does, he obviously can do nothing wrong.
So sad. "
The problem is that we are just slow to believe the propaganda put out by Protestants. Read the post by AdaptedMyGod about Wycliffe and Bibles. So many misstatments. So little time. Bible put on the list of forbidden books in 1226. Problem is there was no such list until the 1500's. If the Pope did in fact kiss the Koran, I would have a problem with it but none has proven to me that he does. This praying in the Mosque thing is a different matter. To pray to God anywhere is just fine. Escpecially in the place where John died. As far as the Pope doing anything wrong, I try to give all people the benefit of a doudt and not be too quick to judge their actions. Further I don't know if he has repented if he did in fact kiss the Koran. There have been popes who have done seriously wrong. So I am not completely blind in this area as your post implies. It is actually amazing that in spite of their failures and mistakes the Catholic Church has been around for 2000 years. Longer than any other institution.
But are we to go and worship in the building dedicated to a false god who hates christianity? What did God say to those in the O.T. who went and worshiped in the high places, even though they were worshiping God, they still went and worshiped where the false gods were worshiped. God was not happy with them. Although God can be prayed to and worshiped anywhere, not every place is acceptable, as He demonstrates in the bible.
But are we to go and worship in the building dedicated to a false god who hates christianity?
The Muslims worship the one true God. They are not idolaters. Yes, they misunderstand him, but they do not believe in a created God, but the invisible, uncreated Allah (which is Aramaic for "God").
What did God say to those in the O.T. who went and worshiped in the high places, even though they were worshiping God, they still went and worshiped where the false gods were worshiped.
The shrines in the high places were dedicated to Baal worship, i.e. worship of created idols. Muslims are far from this sort of action, if you would only educate yourself.
God was not happy with them. Although God can be prayed to and worshiped anywhere, not every place is acceptable, as He demonstrates in the bible.
Our God is present everywhere and he is to be worshipped everywhere. I worship my Father everywhere I am, irregardless of what other people believe or where they worship or what they do.
Don't recall the words 'catholic church' found in the bible. Nor the word pope. Nor anything resembling it. And I see planty wrong with trying to mingle christianity with false religion of demons. If thats what catholics support, then I'm glad I'm not one of them. Which he has said himslef.
And I am not worried about whats on another thread, that is not this thread, becasue I haven't even read that thread, or taken part in it, thats a little off subject from this topic.
Don't recall the words 'catholic church' found in the bible.
I don't recall the words 'baptist church' found in the Bible. So what? The name is simply a title given to an ontological reality.
This is what the Anglican [Protestant] Scholar J.N.D. Kelly has to say on the matter:
"As regards ‘Catholic’ ... in the latter half of the second century at latest, we find it conveying the suggestion that the Catholic is the true Church as distinct from heretical congregations ... What these early Fathers were envisaging was almost always the empirical, visible society; they had little or no inkling of the distinction which was later to become important between a visible and an invisible Church" (J.N.D. Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines 190–1).
Nor the word pope.
You would be surprised how Stephen K. Ray, who, when he was a Baptist, found the pope in the Bible:
[ February 02, 2003, 12:09 AM: Message edited by: Carson Weber ]
Allah is the name of a false god that was being used before the beginngs of Islam, the name was barrowed, and is therfore a false god. There is only one true God, and He has given one wya to come to Him, no ohter way buyt Jesus, when one denies that way, thay deny the one true God,and any god they name is a false god.
Nope sorry in O.T. they began to worship God in the high places becasue others were worshipping there. God gave one place to worship Him in O.T. no other, God is particular, His way or no way. We are not to worship in a place of false worship. Join in flase worship site, worship a false god.
If you think the word pope is in the bible, please give a verse.
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Yes, I am born again. Could you share with me where I might see one of the popes statements that he is born again? I would like to read this for myself that he professes Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. Thank you.