Why Young Leaders Use Filthy Language

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  1. gb93433

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  2. Godspeaks2me

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    Sorry, I am not following your question. Are you referring to young men in any leadership role or that of a church, also, that of a saved man or lost or both?

    Edit: > Perhaps, I should have watched the video first?
     
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    I have never personally sat under a preacher who used words like this, but I would not like it at all. It is completely unnecessary. I cannot say why a pastor would use words like this unless he were trying to sound cool or street savvy, but only the person himself can say why. Perhaps these words are just bad habit that have not been broken yet.

    I don't care for it. I think as Christians we should use pure, clean words.
     
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    After watching the Video, I believe it's a combination of both. He is trying to connect with his hearer's/Be cool and perhaps draw people to his church that would in any other case not want to come to church.

    That being said, It is still wrong. No matter what his intentions are, if he is not delivering a Godly message, he needs to revise his delivery and do it in a way that honers God.
     
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    Or is it a sign of what's in the heart of the speaker?
     
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    The thing is, it results in one of two things: That's actually how he is in his heart, and in his private life, and he'll lose followers who know this isn't how Jesus or Christians should act; OR, it's obvious to those he's trying to reach that he's acting, that he's not real, and he'll lose the ones he's trying to reach.

    Better to be who God made you, and let Him work through you, and be real, than conform to the world.
     
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    He says be wise. He says be harmless.

    This dippy dude is recording himself as he's driving down the road. He takes his eyes off the road multiple times, along with sometimes taking both hands off the wheel even at times when he is not at a stop.

    That makes me think he is kinda stupid and doesn't put a lot of thought into what he's doing, so I have no reason to trust what he is saying.

    Then he closes with "drive careful." HA!

    Good grief! When will people learn that when you're in a car, FOCUS ON DRIVING?!
     
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    In my opinion, no, you shouldn't. Even if it was not clear on who the "young leaders" were, the OP and the thread title were clear on one thing - the video linked to included crude, filthy language. Surely we don't need to hear and see a person using such language before we can say it is wrong, in the same way as we don't need to observe murder or adultery before saying they are wrong.
     
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    He is using examples of poor language. I really think that it is so common that young people see it as acceptable because they see adults doing it.
     
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    1st of all, I agree with him. The day I was born again was 30 years ago, filthy crude words left my vocabulary. And I used them regularly prior to then.

    I just KNEW that they didnt belong. There was no struggle or anything...I just stopped speaking filth.

    2ndly, I would say to the OP...KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE ROAD, BROTHER!! :eek:
     
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    Language is very subjective. Culture is a huge issue in this area of life. What is crude in one region is not considered crude in another. For example, in England the slang term for a cigarette is considered a gay slur here in the states.

    Generally speaking I am less concerned over language chosen and more concerned over the message being brought.
     
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    Did anyone else notice that he does not follow his own advice:

    He uses crude language to make the point that pastors should not use crude language to make a point!
     
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    Words mean things. It doesn't take a Phd to recognize profanity/vulgarity. Do you not think that the "message being brought" can be tainted by the use of such language?

    Remember, we'll give an account of every word spoken.
     
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    Yes. I guess he thought people were too stupid to understand what he was talking about without examples.

    Or maybe he wanted an excuse to be a potty mouth.
     
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    Yes, words do mean things. The problem is words don't always mean the same thing in every context so you cannot make a blanket rule against a word you deem offensive for purely subjective reasons.

    I love my dog.
    I love my country.
    I love my bride.

    Love does not mean the same thing in each of those sentences. In my earlier example the slur and the slang term for a cigarette aren't even related, but in one context it is offensive and not in the other.

    If we are going to claim the word itself is the problem then it must be universally offensive.


    What do you think will be the issue, thinking of the truth that we will be held accountable for our words....

    I smack my thumb with a hammer and the F word slips out.

    "Pastor Bob" said that sin is not an issue.

    Now, keep Matthew 12:36 in context. Curse words or crude language is not the real issue. Further, Not is every word the issue, but careless words are.

    I am not advocating cussing and carrying on from the pulpit. I am simply trying to keep this in its proper perspective and honor God's Word.


    The word "careless" in Matthew 12:36 is:

    From the Strong's:
    G692
    ἀργός
    argos
    ar-gos'
    From G1 (as a negative particle) and G2041; inactive, that is, unemployed; (by implication) lazy, useless: - barren, idle, slow.


    From the Complete Word Study Dictionary:
    G692

    ἀργός
    argós; fem. argḗ, neut. argón, adj. from the priv. a (G1), without, and érgon (G2041), work. Not at work, idle, not employed, inactive (Mat_20:3, Mat_20:6, with the idea that they chose to be idle; 1Ti_5:13; Tit_1:12, "slow bellies," lazy gluttons; 2Pe_1:8, with the idea of indolent, slothful in Christian duty). Idle, insincere, false, unprofitable (Mat_12:36, "idle word," insincere language of a person who speaks one thing and means another [cf. 2Pe_1:8]).
    Deriv.: argéō (G691), to be idle.
    Syn.: bradús (G1021), slow; oknērós (G3636), indolent, slothful.
    Ant.: tachús (G5036), swift.


    Which one is the issue:
    I said damn in a sermon.
    "Pastor Bob" denies the resurrection of Christ.
     
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    From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh.
     
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    Mont974x4- Do you honestly expect us to believe that most people don't know foul language (unless, of course, they know in what context it was spoken) when they hear it?
     
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    I didn't say that at all.
     
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    Then I'm misunderstanding your post.
     

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