Widespread Biblical Illiteracy

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  1. John3v36

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    I believe that Widespread Biblical Illiteracy is the primary cause of the fake religions, backsliding, and work-based "salvation" being seen today in our world.

    I have been fighting for years to teach people to read and study the Bible itself. (NOT WHAT SOMEONE SAYS THE BIBLE IS SAYING) I find more and more that we want to pull out a book written by men to see what God is saying. Then we set up our little popes(i.e., I like so and so; he is so godly).

    The Sunday School materials teach platitudes. Much of the material uses little or no scripture to teach a "moral application." Our pastors give sermonettes for all the little christianettes. Many of them shy away from using scripture because they are afraid it will offend or be too difficult to understand.

    When I went to school (seminary), I saw men who went to learn what to believe. Many of these had spent 20 or 30 years in the local church and still had no idea what to believe because no one showed them how to use the Bible. They were not learning HOW to teach others because they first had to be taught what to believe. They could not, for the most part, explain why they should believe that particular thing. They could maybe tell others what to bleive but had never been taught to figure it out themselves and so had to be "spoonfed". This is entirely due to the lack of biblical teaching in most churches today. This is biblical illiteracy. The teachers need to be taught!!! We must return to the Bible itself for our teaching authority---not the commentaries of Sunday School material, or what the preacher/teacher said.


    The only authorty for the True Christian is the Bible.


    2Tim3:16-17
    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

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    Not to offend, because your point is a good one, but 2Tim3:16 was meant to refer to the OT scriptures. The NT scriptures had yet to be completed, let alone circulated.

    While I agree that the NT writings are scripture just the same, this verse simply wasn't referring to them.
     
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    It says "all scripture". All scripture does not need to be completed for All scripture [to be] given by inspiration of God, and [be] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Just the fact that it is scripture (i.e. God's Word) means that all those things are true no matter when it was written.
     
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    It says "all scripture".
    It does, but the authors did not mean to refer to the NT. If it refers to scripture not yeat written at the time, then that leaves the possibility that there may at a future time be additional scripture that today is not yet written, and that to me is rather Joseph Smith-like.
     
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    2Tim.2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    1Pet.3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

    John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

    An Anglican priest (probably unsaved), complained on a TV talk show, that the public schools, in our multicultural society introduce our children to various “cultures” and thus their religions. But Christianity is excluded. Our children grow up, as you say, Biblically illiterate. I got saved at the age of 20, and had never touched the pages of a Bible. I fell into that category. The Bible is some of the greatest literature, just from a literary point of view, that has ever been written. Yet some of the trash they feed our children, especially in the public schools is unbelievable. In some areas it is now mandatory that the children read books promoting an “alternative lifestyle,” to be politically correct. But the Bible is banned, and the children remain “Biblically illiterate.”
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    It refers to "all scripture" just like it says, not to only this scripture or only that scripture. The authors, Paul writing by the Holy Spirit, said "all scripture" because that's what they meant. Scripture is not "given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.", because Paul says so, it is because it is the word of God. It doesn't matter when it was written, if it really is scripture, then it is "given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.", otherwise it wouldn't be scripture.
     
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    DHK,

    I was JUST complaining about that VERY issue TODAY to an friend of mine.

    They were teaching quanza and hanakka (sp) at Christmas time with NO mention of Jesus, and last month they were teaching the Chinese ZODIAC (pagan occult) to my FIRST GRADER in honor of Chinese new year.

    I have a mind to go ask her if they are going to be teaching about Passover and the Ressurection.

    That's not likely though, because THAT would not be politically correct.

    So much for our 'so called' pluralistic society.

    God bless
     
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    I agree that many Christians do not know the Word. Some whom I know will tell me what I am doing is wrong and never crack open a Bible to show me why....


    Mom to 3,
    Maybe you could offer to teach a class to the students on this very subect. You never know, God could make a way for it.

    HCL
     
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    I understand your concern but at that time this was written we had the first 3 gospel the book of acts and all of Paul's epistles, James, Jude, 1st and maybe 2nd Peter. Most of the NT was already in place. The Joseph Smith thing is a completely different topic.
     
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    Pasa graphe could very well refer to the NT as well in 2 Tim 3:16 "All Scripture given by God is..."
     
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    John3v36, there certainly is Widespread Biblical Illiteracy in this world! I mean, I can hardly even quote 1 Peter 3:21 without someone saying "baptism doesn't save." That person doesn't know the difference between the Bible, the Koran and Moby Dick! If Peter says "baptism does also now save us" then that's what he means regardless of what some self-anointed "paster" says!
     
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    Then there are those who are Biblically hermeneutically challenged.
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    Not to be picky, but why do you claim this man was "probably unsaved?" The quote goes on to say he was saved at the age of 20 and that he had not read scripture, but it says nothing about what he heard preached, nor does it recount the specifics of his conversion. I'm just wondering what your reasoning is?
     
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    Dual Hunter,

    Check your PM's
     
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    It would help if you read the "not the removal of dirt" part.
     
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    Not to be picky, but why do you claim this man was "probably unsaved?" The quote goes on to say he was saved at the age of 20 and that he had not read scripture, but it says nothing about what he heard preached, nor does it recount the specifics of his conversion. I'm just wondering what your reasoning is? </font>[/QUOTE]He was talking about himself before converting from Catholicism for what you're refering to after your first sentence. Anglicans are a diverse bunch, the saved ones tend to have pastors rather than priests. In Montreal there are a number of Anglican churches and one of the churches has greater attendance than many of the other churches combined (many of which are for sale). The Gospel is preach and the Bible is taught at this one church which happens to have an evangelical pastor as opposed to a might as well be catholic priest.
     
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    Actually, it would help if YOU read the "not the removal of dirt" part. When Peter says that part, he is not detracting from his own point that baptism saves but explaining how it saves: Baptism saves, not by removing dirt from the body, but by the appeal to God for a clean conscience and by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
     
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    "but by the appeal to God for a clean conscience and by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him."

    Being dunked in water is not appealing to God for a clean conscience, it's called getting wet. Trusting that Christ alone has paid the penalty of your sin is appealing to God for a clean conscience because if you do that you know that your debt is paid and there is no longer a reason for guilt. Going down into the water is an outward sign of the inward regenerating work of the Spirit in believer. It represents the Spirit immersing the believer in Christ as he is accounted dead to sin and alive in Christ.

    8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
    9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. - Ephesians 2:8-9 NASB
     
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    And so the infant is "appealing to God for clean conscience" how?

    In Christ,

    Bob
     

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