Will firing Cardinal Law solve the problem?

Nim,
I quite expect much of what I say and think to be wrong, I think that is one aspect of being a Christian.

As you say, we're on a journey and not all roads are heading away from the cliff. Make sure on your particular road you keep your eyes open, not to look but to see.

Net.

 

You are ignoring the fact that Baptist churches are independent. In our town such occurances happened with two different fundamentalist ministers.

In both instances, the church dismissed the pastor who then simply left the state to start a new church somewhere else. Both men are beyond the reach of the law and I suppose their new congregation doesn't care, doesn't believe it, or forgave them. The result is the same.

BTW, a lack of news reports is not proof of anything.</font>[/QUOTE]I guess I am just supposed to take your word for it, right...

Or perhaps you are just gossiping and making up stuff to make a point. Why don't you post a link? I know that here if some sexual crime did occur and were found out, they would have it on the tv news and in the newspaper, on the internet, etc...

Surely, you can at least post one link. Or, are you still playing the head in the sand, blame others, hypothetical game?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Joseph,

I have yet to see a published lists of names of priests and victims that have been proved to be true (and not a baseless accusation).

You haven't done your reaseach. If you have, you have not posted it here. Therefore, telling us we have to do research for you and show it, while you don't have to, shows how you have an undefendable position.

God bless you on this cold evening,

Grant</font>[/QUOTE]Grant, is your head really that far in the sand? Open your eyes and see the corruption that is in your religion.

Joseph Botwinick

 

When a Baptist pastor commits such an offense and is fired, what prevents him from going off and starting a new church and committing the crime all over again?

Under you system, offenders are free to simply move on and offend over and over. Isn't this just an informal coverup?

 

The parents or the Church Leadership would turn him into the police. I have actually seen this happen before.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

 

This is inaccurate. I am required only to submit to the Church in matters of faith. Not all matters.

 

There have been a lot of stories of financial fraud committed by Baptists. Like the case in Arizona.

What prevents the individuals involved there from continuing as pastor or deacon in a Baptist church? What stops them from movng to a new Baptist church and assuming a postion as pastor or deacon? Do you know that no such individual has done just that?

 

I think it is called jail time.

 

amen Refreshed.

Catholics don't seem to understand this concept because they don't believe in justice and tried to cover up their leaders crimes.

 

You are assuming that all offenses by Baptist pastors are reported to the police. You don't know this to be the case.

[ December 17, 2002, 12:26 PM: Message edited by: trying2understand ]

 

T2U,

You are making more hypothetical, off topic claims in an attempt to hijack this thread and shift blame and responsibility from your corrupt leaders and to blame someone else for your Church's own inadaquecies. It's not surprising though, as that seems to be par for the course for most of the Catholics here. I am just wondering when you are going to start blaming the victims and their families like Netcurtains did.

You guys are a riot...

 

I can only speak for my fellowship, but if a pastor offended in any way, his name wouldn't be worth two cents throughout the fellowship within two days. I doubt if he would ever pastor again in the Fellowship of Evangelical Baptist Churches in Canada.

Cheers,

Jim

 

I'm starting to think I'm the only Baptist that generally doesn't have an agenda against the Catholic Church.

 

Not at all.
People are natually very protective of wee babies. Thank goodness!
If I believe the papers it appears the average Catholic, when their child gets abused, goes to a bishop and asks for a big cheque. That seems very odd to me. I would have thought the two most common reactions of a dad would be (a) the police or (b) sending "the lads" round to the clergymans house.
Something seems very odd about Boston people (if true) - perhaps its cultural (I'm English (my grandparents are all from Ireland) and my barbers a Sicilian) - We're both typical males (both dads) in a barber shop - there would be a conviction or blood on the street.

[ December 17, 2002, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: Netcurtains3 ]

 

You think so? I must admit it often times seems that way to me too.

I don't let it bother me though, because I know that the Baptists that frequent this part of the board are a different breed than most.

I also know that the "agenda" isn't only against Catholics but also homsexuals, Pentacostals, Mormans, JW's, Muslims, liberals, etc., etc., etc...

The really funny thing is that they actually think that they are "witnessing" with this sort of thing.

Ron

 

Is that what brings you here, Ron ? Witnessing ? Are you sure you don't have an agenda too ?

 

Hi Brother Curtis,

I have the agenda of bringing every man and woman into relationship with Jesus, which entails a life lived within his Mystical Body.

As a Christian, my baptism demands that I have an agenda to be a constant witness to he who gave himself up for me.

I hope you have the same agenda.

God bless,

Carson