Will God heal our land?

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  1. Marcia

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    This came up on another thread and rather than posting my thoughts there, since it was off-topic, I thought I'd start a thread on it.

    Consider this verse:
    On the other thread, someone said that somebody in their SS voiced the view that this verse does not apply to the church today. I tend to agree.

    After all, this was a specific promise given to Israel, was it not? Even if we are called by God and this verse is for today, then what land is God going to heal?

    I'm really interested in others' views on this, all views. [​IMG]
     
  2. Johnv

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    Whether this applied to Israel in the past is somewhat irrelevant. It still speaks to us individually, which is considerably more important to the believer.
     
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    He could, and I pray that he will. But I see judgement coming, not healing.
     
  4. pastorjeff

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    The principle of forgiveness and mercy is woven throughout Scripture. If a whole city (Nineveh) can repent and receive mercy from God, than a nation can also. Whether it will happen or not is another story.
     
  5. Marcia

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    But how does healing the land apply individually? What does that mean?
     
  6. HankD

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    I'm one of God's people so I pray, acknowledge my sins and turn from those wicked things He reveals to me out of my heart (sometimes He needs to take me to the wood shed though and beat it out of me).

    Do whatever you want, this is what I do.

    HankD
     
  7. Daniel David

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    Marcia, during the Old Covenant, God had an obedience/blessing - disobedience/cursing relationship with Israel. If they repented of their sin, they would receive blessing.

    The church has no such promise. This verse has nothing to do with the church or America.

    Props to John for another meaningless interpretation that really isn't one.
     
  8. HankD

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    Revelation 2
    18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
    19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
    20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
    21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
    22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
    23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
     
  9. Marcia

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    Hank, isn't that Rev. passage about rewards and punishments after physical death?

    I am always hearing the 2 Chron. passage quoted by Christians and I have been confused as to why. As much as it is quoted by believers, I thought I'd get more responses than this. When I hear it quoted, it's usually applied to the U.S. and for the life of me, I don't know why.

    I still don't see the application of this passage to NT believers or to the U.S.. So why is it always quoted?
     
  10. Johnv

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    Each of us is king and queen of our own domain, so to speak. Not necessarily a parcel of property of land, but an environment. My "land" is my family, my home, my surroundings. Whenever I have sought the Lord and humbled myself before Him, having gone to him in prayer and endeavored to refrain from my sins, I can attest to having been forgiven by him, and my land healed by him.

    That is my personal testimony. I'm sure others have had the same experience.
    Whatever :rolleyes: . When I have turned to the Lord, and turned from my sin, I have received blessings from the Lord. You might want to try it some time.
     
  11. HankD

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    Tradition? It gives everyone a warm and fuzzy feeling?

    HankD
     
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    This verse contains a promise made to Israel at a particular time in her history. Promises in the Bible made to particular groups of persons under particular circumstances do NOT apply to any other group or circumstance. If the promise is based upon a Biblical principle, the Biblical principle may apply, but the specific promise does not apply beyond the scope of the promise itself.

    :saint:
     
  13. Daniel David

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    John, what is amazing is that the Lord might choose to bless you inspite of your sin. That is vastly different than the agreement with Israel. So again, try to make sense of words before you post nonsense.
     
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    Well, let's ditch the 23rd Psalm. Why do people quote that all the time? :rolleyes:

    We could also cut out a lot of the old hyms of the faith, all the psalms, and spiritual songs, too, since they are based upon the OT. :rolleyes:

    Baptists would be in big trouble if they dumped the "bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse" since that's OT, too. :rolleyes:
     
  15. HankD

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    I don't care what anyone says!

    I am still going to humble myself, turn from my wicked ways (when He shows them to me and with His help), and seek His face, so there!

    HankD turns and leaves humming "you can't take that away from me". [​IMG]

    HankD
     
  16. Daniel David

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    Ladyeagle, try to show a little theology knowledge here.

    The Old Covenant (Mosaic Law) was done away with.

    The Old Testament (all 39 books) are still relevant and applicable upon us. Psalm 23 was a promise given to Israel. Hellllllooooooooo.
     
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    I thought you were the one who said tithing wasn't applicable to the church. Please show some consistency if you are going to debate. [​IMG]
     
  18. Daniel David

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    Tithing was a command given to Israel. It was to be observed three different ways. They were to give a tenth, then another tenth, then a final tenth. I think that is a total of about 27%.

    No where is there a single N.T. text that even implies we should tithe.

    Good grief.
     
  19. LadyEagle

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    Looks like 30% to me. Good grief is right.
     
  20. Daniel David

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    Actually, break out a calculator.

    10% of 100% is 10

    10% of 90% (the 100% minus the 10) is 9

    10% of 81% (the 90% minus the 9) is 8.1

    When you add them together, you get 27.1

    Care to try anything else? You are on a roll lady.
     

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