Will Pelosi Stick with Hastings as Intelligence Chair?

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  1. carpro

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    http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol27I6/page28a.htm

    ...Chief Judge William Terrell Hodges of the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Florida and Chief Judge Anthony A. Alaimo of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida — Hastings’ own court — to file a complaint against Hastings under the Code of Judicial Conduct’s requirement that judges who become aware of unprofessional judicial conduct by other judges make it known.

    The final report issued by the five-judge committee appointed to investigate the charges concluded that at his trial, Hastings had fabricated documents submitted as evidence and committed perjury 14 times. The report concluded, “Judge Hastings attempted to corruptly use his office for personal gain. [The committee found] clear and convincing evidence that Judge Hastings sought to conceal his participation in the bribery scheme.... Judge Hastings’ conduct was premeditated, deliberate and contrived.”

    The committee reported to the 11th Circuit Judicial Council, which voted unanimously to support the conclusion that grounds to recommend impeachment indeed existed. The same procedure was then followed by the Judicial Conference of the United States, over which the Chief Justice presides, and that body unanimously voted for impeachment. The matter was then sent to the U.S. House of Representatives.

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    For the next six years, Hastings remained on the bench, using federal court facilities and drawing a full salary while hearing virtually no cases because of his tenuous position and the refusal of the Chief Justice of his district to assign cases to him.

    Finally, in 1988, the House charged Hastings, by a 413 to 3 vote, with 17 acts of misconduct which “strike at the heart of our democracy,” and recommended removal by the Senate. The Senate agreed, and in 1989 found Hastings guilty of eight impeachable offenses, including conspiring as a federal judge to obtain a $150,000 bribe.
     
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    Sounds like an ideal congressman. He lies, makes up stuff, takes bribes, draws a salary, and does nothing.
     
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    Sounds like the people in FL like him. In his last election, 2002, it states he won by about 71% of the vote.

    Why is it, that just because you have a problem with a person, you can't understand he was elected, by the people.

    I don't agree with what he has done, and I am not sure he should be allowed to be in congress, but the congress since 1992 hasn't done anything to boot him, and the people voted for him in 2002, so why are you worried?

    Are you really as mush of a sore loser as it's appearing?


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    Isn't that true.. You can look at either party and most any Rep and state that exact same thing.

    Sad huh?

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    Very well put. I have just read the article and was thinking what you posted.

    Why does Carpro start this topic linking Pelosi with Hastings problems?

    Like you said, the people in his district obviously want him to serve.

    Also, Hastings has been in Congress all during Bush's administration, why was this not a big deal before the democrats won the election?
     
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    As far as I know, Pelosi was not involved in Hasting's "problems", but she's about to be.

    Much has been made of so called Republican corruption. Now we get a chance to see if Pelosi justs talks a good game or she will appoint a corrupt democrat to chair an important Senate committee.

    I expect hypocrisy will win the day, but hopefully not.
     
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    What polical office has he held in the last 13 years? How can he be "kept on" as heading up intelligence?
     
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    He has been elected to Congress and been re-elected seven more times.

    He was impeached, convicted and removed in 1989, from the position of U.S. Judge.

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    Hastings was the beneficiary of some fortunate timing. First a new gerrymandered district came open and his conviction by the senate received a favorable opinionm in the first step of the appeals process.


    "During his 1992 congressional campaign, his primary opponent repeatedly raised the issue of his removal from the bench. But his candidacy got a boost when a U.S. District Judge in Washington, D.C., overturned Hastings’ removal by the Senate on a technicality — and Hastings was elected to the House of Representatives in November 1992.

    Then, in January 1993, just as Hastings was being sworn in as a congressman, the U.S. Supreme Court reversed the district court’s ruling and Hastings’ conviction was effectively reinstated. "

    Hastings is one of the most reprehensible criminals possible, a crooked judge.
     
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    Carpro,

    While I agree with you that I don't like what he did, will you answer some questions, or are you just good at throwing mud?

    Do you agree that the current Congress did NOTHING to boot him?

    Do you agree that the people in FL elected him again in 2002, even while they knew about his misdoings?

    Why is this just now news? Just because the Democrats won, now it becomes an issue with you? What happened since he was elected the first time, or the second time?

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    The current Congress can do nothing unless he gets caught again. When he was impeached, the Senate evidently did not expressly forbid him from holding public office.

    A crook being reelected time after time from a gerrymandered distict is hardly new. After all, he may be a crook , but he's their crook.

    It is obviously news now because , as long as Republicans were the majority, he didn't matter. In charge of the Intelligence Committee, he matters to all of us.

    Pelosi should practice what she preaches. Hastings appointment will send a strong message that the only corruption she is concerned about is Republican corruption.
     
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    I am sorry.. I don't buy your answers or your response to Speaker Pelosi.

    Since the Senate didn't expressly forbid him from holding a public office, and since the people have continued to elect him as their Rep his wrong doings is mute.

    Looking back at the crooks that were running the place before, he doesn't seem that out of place. How many Republicans were charged or even convicted this past year of corruption, and yet NOW you worry. :rolleyes:

    I have to give you credit, your drum does certainly beat for the Republicans... They needed a few more of you and maybe they would have won. :)

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    My opinion is not for sale. If it was, you couldn't afford it.:smilewinkgrin:

    Concerning Pelosi, we'll see.
     
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    High priced are ya. ;)

    That has been my point the whole time. Why all the fuss before they are even in session? If they mess up, they know they won't be relected. If they do good for us, then maybe we're stepping in the right direction.

    Why not wait and see, and then if needed, slam them for what they are doing or praise them for what they're going good.

    Wait and see...


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    I agree!

    We had that problem with Tom Delay here in Texas until he finally was forced to resign in shame.
     
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    Point well taken. The difference being DeLay hasn't been convicted of anything by anybody.

    Plus he's a Republican. Pelosi appears to only object to corruption in Republicans.
     
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    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200611/POL20061116b.html

    Pelosi Reminded About Her Pledge to 'Clean House'

    By Susan Jones
    CNSNews.com Senior Editor

    November 16, 2006
    (CNSNews.com) - Judicial Watch, a government watchdog group, is urging soon-to-be House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to reject Florida Democrat Alcee Hastings for chairmanship of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

    Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton, in a Nov. 15 letter to Pelosi, said anyone with Hasting's "lack of integrity, ethical misdeeds and financial problems" would be denied the security clearance necessary for the job.
    Fitton told Pelosi she shouldn't risk the nation's security by putting
    Hastings at the head of the intelligence committee - a scenario that's been mentioned in various press reports, after Pelosi reportedly decided not to give the committee's top post to ranking Democrat Jane Harman (D-Calif.).
    Judicial Watch noted that Rep. Hastings is one of only six federal judges ever to be removed from office through impeachment. And because of his legal problems, he has accumulated "staggering," multi-million-dollar liabilities, Judicial Watch said.
     
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    Pelosi rejects Hastings bid to head committee

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    I am sure this won't even make some people stop and wait and see what Speaker Elect Pelosi will or won't do... They have already formed their opinion even before the session has started.


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    Nope. I formed my opinion in the 2 weeks after the election. So far, she's stuck het neck out for two miscreants, and gotten it whacked by her co-horts. She's stubbornly stuck by her choices until she's been forced to relent. My opinion has been formed by her current actions, and without prior prejudice.
     
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    Pelosi is 1-1 so far on corruption.

    She supported the corrupt John Murtha, but her caucus had more sense than she did.

    Now she nixes Hastings. Good move on her part. But...

    Of course, she was afraid her party members would shoot her down again.
     
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