Will the real Donald Trump please stand up...and be revealed as more liberal than conservative

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  1. carpro

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    The claim that Trump is a committed conservative is not very believable. Until recently, he was for higher taxes on the wealthy, taking in Syrian refugees, and single-payer health care. He almost never talks about the Constitution, faith, or liberty unless forced to. In 2012, Trump condemned Mitt Romney for being too harsh on illegal immigration. In May of this year, he attacked “publicity seekers” who needlessly provoked Muslims. With the exception of a few single-issue voters on immigration, Trump fans love him for his enemies and for his populist bombast, not for any specific principles. In other words, he divides the GOP more up-down than he does left-right.

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428353/donald-trump-supporters-not-conservative-base
     
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    It won't matter because the majority of you will still vote for him if he becomes the GOP nominee and rationalize how he's not as liberal as Hillary or how he's the lesser of two evils.:rolleyes:
     
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    It may matter if more conservatives, who are ignorant of his real politics, find out about them before the primaries are over or even begin.. They should , at least be informed. Of course, I believe most of his support in the polls comes from liberals in the first place.
     
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    National Review is an establishment wrag full of RINO's. They wouldn't know what a conservative is if one hit them in the nose.
     
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    I'm assuming you do.

    Just some of Trumps positions:
    1. He is pro choice. He would fund Planned Parenthood except for abortion. (This is current federal policy, though Trump doesn't seem to know it.)
    2. He's in favor of a ban on assault weapons.
    3. He hates the Iran deal, but he wouldn't abrogate it after taking office.
    4. He thinks affirmative action is okay.

    So, I ask you...how conservative is he?
     
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    I don't know. I am not a Trump supporter. What I think is that Trump is an opportunist. He is for whatever benefits him the most.

    And National Review is a joke.
     
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    It sounds like what you're really saying you don't know if they are right or not, you just don't like the source.

    You may not be a supporter. Neither am I, but I still have an opinion on his politics and want other conservatives to know what they are...besides just on immigration and muslim terrorism.

    But, I've known you long enough here to know that you do have an opinion of his politics, but for some reason don't want to share it. So be it.
     
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    Uh I just told you. I do not know how conservative he is. Can't be more clear than that. I have not kept up with him and his entrance into politics in a significant way is new. Neither do I have time to worry about him. I support Ted Cruz. I am settled on Cruz no matter what Trump's position is.

    And no I do not like the source at all. Their motive is to bash anyone who is not an establishment candidate. Mainly Bush. Might as well bring Shrillary into the whitehouse.
     
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    uh huh. Right.

    And all Cruz supporters should know what they are up against. And Cruz is very close to telling them. He will begin to do so soon. Maybe you'll believe him when he tells you the same thing you read here.
     
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    It's time for gloves to come off and STHTF these final two weeks before caucus in Iowa. There's going to be all kinds of things brought out about him.
     
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    It's time.

    As Ted Cruz pointed out:

    “It starts to make you think, ‘Gosh, why are Hillary’s strongest supporters backing Donald Trump?’”

    Mr. Cruz went on to say that in recent elections, Democrats had succeeded in getting “the nominee they wanted to run against in the general election.”

    “It seems the Hillary folks are very eager to support Donald Trump,” he continued, “and the attacks that are being tossed my direction.”


    Trump's economic views have hardly been mentioned, but they soon will be.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tr...epublican-on-economics-since-nixon-2015-12-14


    One presidential candidate wants to get rid of loopholes that help the “very rich” and “special interests.” He’s against foreign “sweatshops” that steal American jobs. He backs “prevailing wages” for U.S. positions filled by foreigners with special H-1B visas. And he says he’s the guy to rebuild America’s infrastructure, a job that could cost hundreds of billions of tax dollars.

    Bernie Sanders? Nah. Try Donald Trump.

    The wealthy businessman is an odd candidate in many ways, but his hodgepodge of economic views reveal an old-style populist and modern media maven who combines some traditional conservative positions with ideas long tied to the political left.


    The Republican Party hasn’t fielded a candidate who departs so much from conservative economic orthodoxy since Richard Nixon in 1972.
     
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    I don't believe in politically convenient epiphanies.

    Just like I never believed Romney's.
     
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    I don't need him to tell me. I do not care how conservative or liberal Trump is. I would not support him either way. I do not care about Trump. He is an idiot. I find the amount of support he is getting interesting

    Further the National repuke telling someone that another is not conservative is like shrillary telling the world someone else is a liar. She may be right but coming from her it is laughable. Same with the National rEpuke.

    The behavior of the establishment to include those from the National Repuke has been shameful and not any better than the Democrats.
    Trump can take a long walk off a short pier. The National Repuke needs to be fall in a deep hole with no bottom.
     
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    I won't vote for Trump, Bush, Christie, Rubio, Fiorna, or Kasich. Of any of those are the candidates I will leave the party and go independent. I am done with the stupidity and the lesser of two evils is still evil.
     
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    I think Trump is more of an opportunist than he is conservative or liberal. He will hold to policies and swing with politicians of nay flavor if it benefits him monetarily. Any liberal or conservative positions he has ever held were all about him and not the issue.

    The question at hand is why does being voted a conservative President benefit him personally. All the talk about him being liberal is a distraction. He may be on many hings but that is not the driving factor. Trump is not an idealist he is a money man. Pure and simple.

    I do not need him to be a liberal to know I will not vote for him.
     
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    Then Cruz is doomed. He will be beholden to someone. Namely the same people that own the "establishment " republicans. Trump to no one

    Trump's "money" knowledge kills him dead. Cruz just can't compete in that arena.
     
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    I don't think that is true. Cruz is doing very well. Trump may win the nomination but then so be it. If the "establishment" in the background is working to undermine a vote for Trump like I am seeing reports of then they have become hypocrite complaining about Obama wanting to undermine the will of the people and then doing the same thing themselves with Trump.

    Anyway I believe Cruz has a good chance. The science behind all the poll taking has become weak and I am a bit more leery of them I used to be.
     
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    Umm perhaps it's because they know she'll do to him in a national election what Obama did to Romney.;)

    At current, Trump would be the weakest candidate because of his mouth.


    Blame Frankenstein on his daddy , Fox News and conservative talk radio repeating their talking points. They , and their talking heads, have done such a good job at convincing their listeners that the country needs a "businessman" and a "political outsider", that a lot of folks have bought into it with the wrong guy.O O
     
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    Strange isn't it?:

    ....In America Today, Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower Would Be Bernie Sanders in the U.S. Senate

    The huge ever rapid shift rightward makes Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon look like lefty radicals today.

    we begin with the president of the United States addressing the nation and calling for a massive investment in this country's infrastructure, rebuffing the idea of giant tax breaks for the richest Americans, and warning anyone who would dare touch Social Security to keep their hands off.


    You want to talk about red meat for the base? Listen to some of the language the president used. "Workers have a right to organize into unions and to bargain collectively with their employers. And a strong, free labor movement is an invigorating and necessary part of our industrial society." Wow.


    How about this one? "Only a fool would try to deprive working men and women of their right to join the union of their choice."


    Listen to the way he goes after the right here. "Should any political party attempt to abolish Social Security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things, but their number is negligible and"--and the president says--"their number is negligible and they are stupid."


    ......That is way to the left of any national Democrat at this point. That was all Republican President Dwight David Eisenhower. That was all the stuff he said when he was president.


    Republican President Dwight Eisenhower, president when the top tax bracket for the richest people in this country was 92 percent. President Eisenhower defended that tax bracket. He said we cannot afford to reduce taxes until, quote, "the factors of income and outgo will be balanced." Eisenhower insisting there must be a balanced budget and that taxes on the rich are the way to balance it. Dwight Eisenhower, you know, noted leftist.


    The Republican Party platform of Eisenhower's 1956 called for expansion of Social Security, broadened unemployment insurance, better health protection for all of our people. It called for voting rights--full voting civil rights for D.C. It called for expanding the minimum wage to cover more workers. It called for improved job safety for workers, equal pay for workers regardless of sex.


    This is the Republican Party circa 1956. The Republican Party.


    The story of modern American politics writ large is the story of your father's and your grandfather's Republican Party now being way to the left of today's leftiest liberals. If Dwight Eisenhower were running for office today, he would have to run, I'm guessing as an independent, and not as some Joe Lieberman, in between the parties, independent. He'd be a Bernie Sanders independent.


    In 1982, who passed the largest peacetime tax increase in U.S. history? That would be Ronald Reagan.


    Who called for comprehensive health reform legislation during in a State of the Union address in 1974, a program that was well to the left of what either Bill Clinton or Barack Obama ultimately proposed? That would be Richard Nixon.


    Eisenhower and Reagan and Nixon--they were not the liberals of their day. They were the conservatives of their own time.....


    ....Former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens pointed out this whole phenomenon of American politics shifting to the right when he told "The New York times" this--he said, quote, "Including myself, every judge who's been appointed to the court since Lewis Powell in 1971 has been more conservative than his or her predecessor, except maybe Justice Ginsburg." That was the one exception he could come up with…..”
     
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