Will Trump pounce on the Electoral College next?

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  1. righteousdude2

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    http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/11/t...orado-vote-was-hijacked-by-phony-politicians/

    After he is finished with the caucus systems and the delegates being appointed without popular votes, I do think he will be slamming the Electoral College system. I have always felt that the EC is unfair, outdated and needs to be revamped! If we truly want a system that elects the leaders of this country, it needs to be based upon the popular vote count, as it is in state elections, county elections and city elections!

    I wonder how many will agree with me that the EC is unfair, outdated, and need's revamping?



    As a side note:
    To be quite honest with you all, until Trump started pointing out the injustices across the country in the primaries, I never even gave the primary elections a second look! I thought it was all based upon popular vote, and thanks to the Donald; my eyes have been opened!
     
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    Not me.

    The Electoral College proved itself in 2000, why there was a contested election. The damage was confined to Florida instead of nationwide. If the vote was based on the "popular vote," then the scenes in Florida would have played out in every electoral district in the United States and there would have been even less confidence in the outcome - if an outcome was determined at all.

    The Electoral College was designed to create a clear winner in an election. Our Founding Fathers understood how important it was for there to be a clear winner. Their wisdom was demonstrated in 2000.
     
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  3. Salty

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    The only change I would like to see is the EC vote in accordance with the popular vote of that individual State or Commonwealth. For Example, if a State or Commonwealth has 12 EC's and Candidate A has 50% of the poplular vote, Candidate B has 40% and Candidate C has 10% of the vote - than each candidate would would receive a corresponding EC based on congressional districts and the the candidate who receives the most votes would pick up the two "Senate EC" votes.

    Here is the problem with a straight popular vote. A candidate would only have to win about 20 of the largest cities in the US ( NY, LA, Dallas, Atlanta, San Francisco, ect) to win. States such as the Dakotas, Iowa, Montana, ect, would never see a candidate
     
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    Honestly, if the federal government were the proper size, and truly limited to the powers enumerated in the Constitution, the people would be satisfied to allow their state legislators to elect the President.
     
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  5. carpro

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    Someone "pounces" on the electoral college every election...with the same result.

    It's not going away anythime soon, probably never.
     
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    Yes it is so unfair how Trump has only gotten about 37% of the popular vote and has gotten over 40% of the delagates. Since he feels so strongly about this issue I look forward to seeing him give up some of his delagates to match the popular vote.

    As far as the EC goes i have would not do away with it just tweek it a bit to make it proptional in all states like Nebraska does it.
    The EC makes it more of an even playing field for the little states vs the big states.

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  7. righteousdude2

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    What you are saying is that the voice, or the vote of ALL the people doesn't count! Small states would get the vote counted, so why the EC? The EC is antiquated! It served a time and purpose that is no longer necessary. We need to trust the vote of the people, no matter the size of the state the vote comes from, popular vote should be the final deciding factor, not some electoral college of delegates! It was nice discussing our views! Peace, sister!
     
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    The population of NY City is larger than each of 13 of the smallest States/Commowealths. So tell me how the rural areas of the US can complete against NY City - let alone the other top 20 population cities?

    NY City, along with the 5 Upstate large cities will normally decided who takes the EC of NY State.
     
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  9. Aaron

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    The Electoral College was not about something that works. It is a check on mob rule. Pure democracies quickly and always degenerate to despotism.

    A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
     
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    Yes, he conveniently leaves this part out, doesn't he?? Somehow, it's much better to just complain that everyone (including his supposed party) is unfair, etc.
     
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    I know his whining is getting old. We have already had 7 years of a president whob whines when things dont go his way. Im ready to have an adult be president again. Of he thinks the written rules of becoming president are to hard to learn and manuplate how does he think he will ever do a good job at navagating and manupulating the unwritten always changing rules of international politics.

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    From my POV, Mr. Trump failed to do the proper due diligence into the electoral laws and practices of the various states. For example, Wyoming's Republicans (from what I heard) had their procedures in place for over two years. Other states Mr. Trump has complained about have had their procedure in place for just as long. Nobody came up with arcane rules just for him. I think the media's emphasis on the primaries and the Iowa caucus lulled him into a false view of the process. Without a decent team, he got blind sided.
     
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  13. TCassidy

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    And this is what the "get rid of the electoral college" crowd doesn't seem to understand. Without the EC the 10 or so largest population centers, which all tend to be left wing, would control the entire electoral process for the only nationally elected office in our Republic. The 10 largest population centers would have total control over the means of production of all food products as well as both industry and agriculture which benefits from an extensive waterway system that includes the Great Lakes and the drainage basins of the Mississippi, Missouri, and Ohio rivers in the heartland. Navigation is improved by hundreds of canals, locks, and dams, which also improve flood control and generate hydroelectricity. Water transportation moves millions of tons of iron ore and coal to steel mills and other heavy industries.

    What the "do away with the EC" crowd doesn't seem to comprehend is that without the EC the means of production would be controlled by the 10 major population centers' elected government personnel, and that, my friend, is the very definition of "Democratic Socialism."

    The EC is the last bastion of protection against radical Socialism in this country, and that is exactly why the founding fathers put it in place!

    I really wish these people would learn something about how our Democratic Republic form of government actually works! :rolleyes:
     
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    Yup, we need to reverse Reynolds v. Sims, and repeal the 17th Amendment, and we might be getting somewhere.

    I believe that our slide from representative republic to outright democracy is the leading cause for our $19 trillion in debt. Tbe Senate should be acting like the House of Lords used to, slowing down the hot heads in the lower house. Now the Senate is just another group of rabble.
     
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    I agree. Especially about election of Senators. When our Constitution was drafted Senators were not intended to represent the people. They were intended to represent the states and thus were elected by the state representatives. And the popular election of Senators is one of the reasons the 10th amendment has been gutted, and federalism has overwhelmed our country.

    Prior to the Civil War (the death knell of our nation) the United States was referred to with the plural verb "are." "The United States are . . . " Since the Civil War the singular verb is used. "The United States is a country . . . . "

    We are no longer a collection of sovereign states united in common cause. We are now a dictatorship of a bloated federal bureaucracy controlling every aspect of our lives. :(
     
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    Since we are a Republic and not a Democracy then the EC protects those states with less population to have a fair say. That is it's purpose. Now if we want a full blown Democracy then we will need to re-right the constitution. To remove the word Republic.
     
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  17. carpro

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    The electoral college is not going away. It would take a constitutional amendment and the rural states are too smart to cut their own throats.
     
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    Or is it they fully understand the EC and want to use it to their advantage????
     

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