Will you vote for...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Reformed, Feb 14, 2016.

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If both the Republican and Democrat nominees plan to implement universal healthcare, I will...

  1. Vote for one or the other regardless of their healthcare position.

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  2. Vote for the GOP nominee anyway as the lesser of two evils.

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  3. Vote for either candidate because I am in favor of universal healthcare.

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  4. Vote for a third party candidate.

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  5. Not vote on principle.

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  6. Not vote because of apathy.

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  7. Other: Please explain.

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  1. Reformed

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    If you elect to vote in this poll I would be interested in knowing your reasons why.

    Thank you.
     
  2. TCassidy

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    I am not a single issue voter. I would look at the other positions taken by both candidates and decide which one is closest to my position and vote for that person.
     
  3. The American Dream

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    I generally vote Republican, but my days of voting for Romney type candidates are over. That means no vote for Bush, Rubio, Kasich, or Carson. Cruz is probably the best pick, but he has trust issues. Trump no comment.
     
  4. kyredneck

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    Lol!, Why not comment? You'd vote for him over Hillary, right? :)
     
  5. The American Dream

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    I have never voted for a Democrat but odds are you have voted for Mitch which is the same thing.
     
  6. Revmitchell

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    Maybe I am what is often called a "single issue voter". Whatever that means. There are some things that are negotiable. There are some issues that are non-negotiable. If the candidate holds to an issue that I find dangerous and or repugnant that would be a non-negotiable. Universal Healthcare is a non-negotiable. It is dangerous because it will allow government to control every facet of our lives. It makes us slaves to those who do not contribute. It is contrary to the founding of this country which is small government and then keep it as close to local as possible. Since it is a non-negotiable regardless if that candidate gets everything else right, it would disqualify that candidate for me.

    I did not vote for Romney and I did not vote for McCain. I will not vote for any establishment candidate. Period.
     
  7. Reformed

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    I am not a single-issue voter either, but there are single issues that will determine who I will vote for. For instance, I will not vote for a candidate who approves of abortion. However, if both candidates oppose abortion, but one candidate is for universal healthcare, the one who is not for universal healthcare is still in the running for my vote.
     
  8. JonC

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    I chose "other" as well. When it comes to politics I am also not a "single issue voter," but the first issue for me is a moral one. I do not believe in voting for the "lesser of two evils" as I am convicted that we are responsible to a great degree for the platforms we support. I do not think that the issue of universal health care will make it to my list of factors as other issues will sway my vote long before it is cast.

    It's like triage for political ideologies, with immorality as the trump card in terms of dismissing a ticket.....(no pun intended). Smile
     
  9. blessedwife318

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    I will write in a candidate if both nominees are for universal health care. .
     
  10. Zaac

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    I don't get the question. We've already got "universal" healthcare because the ACA makes insurance compulsory. So why would the Republican/Democrat candidate plan to implement what's already implemented?
     
  11. Zaac

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    AMEN! If I know you're evil, I don't vote for evil and I don't care how "lesser" you are. Most of the current crop of candidates don't clear my requirement of adhering to the two greatest Commandments. So they get discounted long before any talk of universal healthcare would arise.
     
  12. Revmitchell

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    The lesser of two evils is still evil.
     
  13. TCassidy

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    But ACA is not actual universal health care. It is a windfall profit scheme for the big insurance companies. ACA does not provide any health care. It just makes purchasing health insurance from one of the big health insurance companies mandatory. And subsidizes those who can't afford the premiums.

    When Trump, and Sanders, talk about "universal" healthcare they are talking about single payer healthcare. Real socialized medicine where the government owns the hospitals, clinics, and the doctors work directly for the government. We already have such a system in place in the Department of Veterans Affairs Healthcare System. It is not the best but it works.

    Single Payer is still prohibitively expensive but is cheaper than ACA and better than nothing.

    What we have to do is come up with a system similar to the VA. People who want private insurance and private health care are free to purchase it. Those who cannot afford private insurance can use the single payer system. Just like the VA works now. I had my own health care policy for 30 years. Then, in 1998 I was declared a disabled vet and got all my health care from the VA. Because I can afford a private plan but choose to use the VA I am responsible for co-pays for meds and doctors visits which is fine with me. I can afford it.

    But the fact remains, the health care system in this country is broken. And ACA only makes it worse. When upwards of 40 million people in this country have no health insurance of any kind it is obvious we are failing to provide the basics of the so-called "American Dream." And of those who were uninsured and now have ACA coverage, the vast majority of them were former Medicaid patients. They were just moved from one government pocket to another. And paying more into the big insurance companies coffers to pay off all those bribes the insurance companies paid in the form of "campaign contributions."
     
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    But it is yet to be proven any of the candidates are, in fact, evil. :)
     
  15. Zaac

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    Thanks for that clarification TC.Thumbsup
     
  16. Revmitchell

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    I am not sure how you are meaning "evil" here. Are you suggesting that literally? I was not.
     
  17. JonC

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    Here I believe that it is more the platform than it is the person (just an opinion, but I would rather support an atheist who opposes abortion than a professing Christian who is pro-choice…..just an example). For me it is not a matter of a single issue, but it is a matter of issues and not candidates.
    Interesting. I was actually thinking literally. Otherwise it seems to me that it would be a matter of settling for what is not exactly what we want but not as bad as it could be (i.e., compromise). I am willing to compromise my political ideals, but not my faith (although I probably do much to often).
     
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    If it comes down to choosing the lesser of evils, (meaning a choice between two bad candidates) I want neither. The GOP has been putting up bad candidates under the myth that these candidates are less worse than the other but more likely to win. That is a bad mindset. Keep our standards high.
     
  19. Zaac

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    I literally mean EVIL.

    I believe it is the epitome of wickedness and evil to reject Jesus Christ.
    I believe it is the epitome of evil to pretend like you love Jesus, but to never seem to want to do anything to help, assist , or aid those who don't share your politics.
    I believe it is the epitome of evil and wickedness to be okay with murdering babies in the womb.
    I believe it is the epitome of evil and wickedness to advocate the murder of human beings outside the womb after what Jesus did on the Cross.

    Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,a]">[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.

    4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 1 Cor. 13:1-7


    Any view that does not align itself with the righteous view of Christ, at least to me, is evil and wicked.

    And I refuse to support any candidate who comes across as being aligned with any of the aforementioned evil and wicked behaviors.

    It speaks to a lack of character. If I can't trust you to love Christ and to love others out of the overflow of your love for Christ, then I'm CERTAINLY not going to give my support to place you in authority over me or anyone else.

    I need to see folks who want to point others towards Christ.

    No we're not trying to elect a pastor. But having someone in office who I know reverences Christ and His love for others will do as a starting point.
     
  20. Rob_BW

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    Jon's triage analogy was very apt. I'd reckon it's like damage control on a sinking ship. You won't find a candidate who'll fix everything the way you want, you just have to find the one who you think will do the most good.

    And of course, there are always those line in the sand issues where you can't budge.
     

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