Winter Soldier Investigation: Fact or Fiction?

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  1. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Certainly, nobody will deny that Mi Lai occurred and that there were some atrocities committed by some American soldiers, as certainly happens in most wars. I think, however, it is very clear that Lt Calley (I think is the guy's name) was brought to justice for his actions. The question here is, was this an isolated incident or were Vietnam Vets in large numbers, committing atrocities against the Vietnemese as a matter of US policy? Were our young men war criminals who were every bit as brutal as Gengis Kahn as John Kerry and those who testified in the Winter Soldier Investigation alleged? Or, were they simply giving the enemy for free what many men endured torture in order not to say they were war criminals some Vietnam Vets claim? The following is a sworn affidavit from Steve Pitken who was originally a person who testified at the Winter Soldier Investigation in 1971:

    http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinAff

    Further, this is what Pitken said about the matter at a press conference on Sept. 12, 2004:

    http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=PitkinKLR

    So, who is telling the truth? Pitken, who says Kerry and others pressured and threatened him to lie about the war? Or Kerry, who labeled our Vietnam Vets War criminals and gave the enemy the testimony they wanted to justify torturing our troops in Hanoi?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Let's see... Should we uncritically accept the unsupported word of a self-confessed liar, or withold judgement until some actual evidence appears?

    Since we've already seen that republicans have succeded in convincing numerous veterans to lie (list on request) about Kerry, the answer is pretty obvious, isn't it, Joseph?
     
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    I guess the difference in my mind would be that he was willing to admit that he lied under duress and that he apologized for the horrible things he said about the Vietnam vets. Whereas Kerry, on the other hand, pressured and threatened him that if he did not say the things Kerry told him to that he would leave him stranded and not take him home. Kerry still refuses to be accountable for his actions and words and refuses to apologize to all the Vietnam Vets he harmed with his words in Hanoi. I think it is also important to note that many of the people who testified that day were never even in Veitnam and were complete frauds. Pitken, on the other hand...well, certainly you see the difference I hope.
     
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    Wow. I hope Pitkin doesn't have one of those "accidents" that seem to happen to so many who speak out against figures in high authority. (you know, tragic car crash, goes for a walk and body is found and it's declared a suicide despite the stab wounds in the back, etc)
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    You've got to be pretty gullible, Joseph. The guy already admitted that he lied. Now he says he's telling the truth, and he was coerced into lying.

    But there's no evidence. C'mon, you know what this is.

    Keep in mind that so far, when the facts have been discovered, those "vietnam vets" who smeared Kerry turned out to be liars.

    And when Kerry said that actrocities were going on daily in Vietnam, we now know from government records, that he was right about that.

    Would you like to see the record, again? Bush found another guy willing to lie for whatever benefit he's getting out of it.

    And that's the bottom line.
     

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