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  1. christine

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    I am back on-line. Thank you every one for praying for my Dad, he is doing good. I need some advise. I recently found out that my daughter (15) has joined a group called wiccan teens. I looked it up and it is witchcraft. I have monitored her email and found that her friends from school are involved too.
    I know I can't force her to believe in God, but how should I approach this. I sent an email to the group moderater and she agreed to disenroll my daughter, but this is just a temporary fix.
    I'm afraid for Chlirissa (daughter).
    Even if I got rid of the internet, her friends at school are into it. I'm very upset and just don't know what to do.
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  2. Baptist Believer

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    Sounds like she has normal teenage curiousity and is exploring other ideas with her friends. Unfortunately, wicca is often very real and can be extremely destructive.

    As you said, you cannot force her to believe in God and you will likely drive her into headlong if you try to make a huge scene about it. I would recommend that you pray heavily about the situation and then calmly talk to your daughter. Don't try to be an expert on wicca and don't automatically call it "Satanism" or anything like that. (Indeed, it is a demonic system but Wiccans rarely recognize the source of the "power" they are trying to use -- people who call them Satanists are immediately considered closeminded or uninformed.)

    Pray for your daughter and ask God to intervene in her life. Ask God to break up the little group and/or demonstrate the weakness of the power they are trying to gain compared to the power of God. Be very sensitive to what God might lead you to do and say and ask God to prevent you from doing and saying the wrong thing.

    I will join you in prayer for your daughter. Please keep us informed.
     
  3. wizofoz

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    The main thing to remember is that God's will be done. You must have the courage and strength to accept it.
    It may be His will to allow her to go as deep into it as He feels is necessary for her to realize Who she needs to turn to.
    It may be a very rough, very painful ride. Just let her know you're there for her, without condemnation. And let God handle it.
     
  4. I Am Blessed 24

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    Christine:

    It sounds like you may have to use some 'tough love' and remove her from her present group of friends. She may hate you for a time, but she will get over it. Do WHATEVER you have to do to remove her from Wiccan influence! Better now than when she gets fully immersed into witchcraft. The Bible has some pretty strong statements against witchcraft.

    Also, do you make her attend church with you? If not, you need to do that. You cannot make her get saved, but you CAN lead her in the right direction.

    Talk to the Pastor about this. I'm sure he has run into it before. He may be able to talk to your daughter where you cannot.

    Blessings,
    Sue
     
  5. Helen

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    Christine,
    I have worked with a couple of families in the past who had daughters who got involved in Wicca. There are two forms, actually. There is a 'teenage' variety which goofs around with the ideas of spells and black clothes and such. This is not nearly as dangerous as true Wiccan religion but it is nevertheless dangerous and can lead to real Wiccan material.

    Be aware that there are levels the initiates must achieve and that some of these levels include sex.

    Wicca is not light or just a curiosity thing. In either form it is distinctly dangerous to the person involved and involves in itself a lot more than even the girls are aware of. It is a primary rebellion against God and promotes the empowerment of the individual. The basic premise, in terms of morality, is 'harm none and do what you will.' Talk about this particular thing with your daughter. Ask her how she knows no one will be harmed by her actions.

    Refuse to allow her to go out unless you know where she will be, with whom, and that a responsible adult will be there. Do everything you possibly can do to stop this here and now. No, you cannot force faith, but you certainly CAN enforce the rules of your own home, which should include living a life that honors the faith of the parents.

    Find out who the other girls are and talk to their parents.

    Here are some excellent websites to give you the information you need. They are not promotional of Wicca, but instead warnings:

    http://www.leaderu.com/theology/teenwitchcraft.html

    http://www.angelfire.com/wi2/andromedawicca/news2.html

    http://www.korrnet.org/reality/rc/1998_winter/why_are_we_pushing_witchcraft_on.htm

    There are also several websites I ran across which I will not link here which are telling adult Wiccans to take the teenagers seriously and teach them 'the craft.'

    http://www.rickross.com/reference/wicca/wicca33.html -- a news story only
     
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    You put your foot down and get tough is what you do. No matter what that means you have to do. Shes your daughter, and until shes of age your responsability.
     
  7. christine

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    Thank you for the links. I will look at them when I get a chance.
    It is an adult that is leading the group she belongs to. I emailed her and she agreed to take chlirissa off her contribution list. She did say that she understood how I felt, because she had a 14 yr.old.
    There are many things which are starting to make sense now. Her sudden interest in candles, all of her clothes are black and red. She stays in her room alot now, were before I couldn't get rid of her.
    I did get into her email yesterday (she accidentally left it minimized) I deleted all her documents/files which had to do with this. I also filled in her email filter with all the words I could think of that dealt with witchcraft/wicca.

    I do make her go to church with me, but lately she is resistant. We have a very strange altar call that makes her uncomfortable, so I am not sure if that's why or if it's the witchcraft.
    Our pastor has all "saved" people raise their hands (no bowed heads), then he has us bow our heads, and comes to the unsaved and speaks to them directly, but not softly. Everyone can hear him, and he addresses her directly.
     
  8. dianetavegia

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    Christine, I would take her computer priviledges away completely unless you are sitting beside her, insist she attend church with you and not allow her to keep the same friends she's had.

    This is a very dangerous time in her life and even if she thinks she's just having fun, it's opening the door to much worse.

    Contact your local authorities and notify them of this woman and her group. Contact the school board and notify them of this group. Contact your local newspaper and tell them about this group. Call the t.v. stations and tell them about this group.

    If you let this slide.... things will only worsen. You're the adult. You're the parent. It's your responsiblity to protect your children.

    Diane
     
  9. Johnv

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    I know I can't force her to believe in God, but how should I approach this.

    No, but you can force her to go to church and attend Sunday School with her own age group.

    Before you think that sounds extreme, would you consider allowing your daughter not to attend high school if she didn't want to? Of course not. The same would apply to Sunday School as well.
     
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    I would take her computer priviledges away completely unless you are sitting beside her, insist she attend church with you and not allow her to keep the same friends she's had. I would agree with that. Good advice. Tough, but to the point.
     
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    Christine,
    As someone who dabbled in witchraft in her teens I beg you to get on your knees and seek the Lord in this matter.

    Some things that may have helped me when I was dabbling in witchcraft:


    1) Daily Bible reading and prayer morning and night with me.

    2) Fasting on the part of my mother for me.

    3) My mother taking the time with me to find out why I was into this stuff, I mean really taking TIME with me.

    As some of the others suggested, REMOVE HER FROM THIS SITUATION, PLEASE do everything you can to remove this from her life.
     
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    :confused: </font>[/QUOTE]What's so confusing about that? You've heard of people being saved after going as low as they can get. Yes, the mother needs to do what she can to keep her daughter away from this, but if it's God's will for her to experience it in order to gain an appreciation of His love and grace, and to gain salvation, it will happen.
     
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    Christine, I am so sorry that you are going through this. I am praying. I have no advice as I have not had any experience with this, but I agree that you should do your very best to keep her away from this group.

    You are still the mother and she is the child even though she thinks that she is grown. We know that 15 is still very young and such a tough age. Fifteen year olds are on the edge between a child and growing up into an adult. There is a great different between 15 and 16.

    I agree with everyone, but Wizofoz. Wizofoz is correct to say let God handle it, but I am surprised since he thinks that parents are responsible for children's actions that he would give this advice.
     
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    Exactly, Thankful -- parents are only to be chauffeurs, meal-tickets, allowance-givers, permission-givers.... Ycchhhh

    The hardest responsibility of any parent is to not only draw the line but enforce it. I am sitting here getting up my own nerve right now. I just got a call from the high school where Bianca is a senior. She was voted one of the princesses for the Sr. Prom this coming Saturday.

    Her original date was in a car accident -- no one was hurt but his parents are making him pay for the damage, so he could not afford the tickets and had to break the date. So she decided to go single. Fine, no problem. A few hours ago she called from school to ask for my permission for a friend of hers to set her up with another friend from another high school and she wanted me to sign the parent's permission on the guest pass. I told her no because I had not met the guy.

    Then this last phone call. During the second lunch period she showed up at a different vice-principal's office with a note 'signed' by me saying I had given permission for this young man to be her date so he could get a guest pass. The first vice-principal found out about it, called me, and asked if I had changed my mind and sent a permission slip over. I told her no, I definitely had not.

    It was a forged permission slip. Now I will have to face a daughter who cannot go to her Sr. Prom even if she is one of the most popular girls in school and one of the princesses. She is also being punished by the school with Saturday school for two weeks and by me with grounding for two weeks.

    I am going to have one MIGHTY upset daughter walking through the door in a few minutes and all I can do I buck up the steel in my backbone and Barry and I have to stand our ground with this little daughter!

    Gotta do the same with Wicca, Christine! This is the HARDEST part of being a parent! Say what you mean, mean what you say, and stay consistent. Around our house, honesty is a major policy and forgery doesn't fit that picture...

    :rolleyes: :mad: [​IMG]
     
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    Sorry, I can't see being a witch as God's Will.
     
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    Oh, Helen :(

    Tough lesson for your daughter to learn. She has to be responsible for her own actions.
     
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    I salute you, Helen. It's not easy to show our love sometimes... but I'll be praying that this is taken without too much fussing.

    God bless,
    Diane
     
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    Apparently, you do not understand what I'm saying.
    I am not advocating letting her become a witch. I am not advocating the mother stand back and let her do it.

    Do you agree that God is in control? And that we should give our problems to Him and seek His guidance? That's what I'm saying.
    God is in control of this situation. If He knows (and He knows better than we) that this girl may have to be exposed to this in order for her to find Him, then it will happen. If God is leading the mother to fight tooth and nail to stop it, then so be it. We don't know the outcome, but He does.

    I am not disputing anyone's advice here, but don't give false hope that everything will come out all rosy. It may take a lot of prayer and tears and heartache for it to come about.
    And prayers from everyone are needed. But remember: "Not my will, but Thy will be done."
     
  20. dianetavegia

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    Hi Wiz... Heflin! Right down the road a piece!

    Predestination? I see you're in a tiny independent Baptist church and some friends of mine are also. They believe that God has chosen certain bad things to happen to us and that nothing is by choice.

    I was just wondering and wanted to make sure.

    Thanks!
    Diane 24 miles to Alabama.
     

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