witness gospel to person

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Can anyone witness gospel to people by use different Versions?

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  1. DeafPosttrib

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    Often, I hear IFB churches saying, KJV is the ONLY Bible to witness gospel to people to become saved. No other versions to use for witness.

    I grew up in my Lutheran family. I becamed saved by reading Bible - Today's English Version9TEV) read in Rev. 20:11-15. No one witness gospel to me how to become saved. It caused me became guilt. I asked Christ to forgive all my sins, and I become saved in August 17 1988.

    Few years later, I curious check TEV, and I was shocked, my mother circles with red pen in book of Romans use for evangelism or visitation, called, "Romans Road" same as baptist's method. I notice red circle - Romans 3:23;6:23; Romans 10:9-10, I noticed, mother wrote with red pen on the bottom of Romans chapter 10, it says, 'Turn to page 406'. So, I turn to page 406, guess what she drew what verse? 2 Cor. 6:2.

    Later, I asked questions to mother by wrote letter to her about the red circles around verses use for evnagelism. I told her, that I was surprised, and these use for witness gospel to people. Mother wrote back in letter, she said, yes, she was very activity by invlove ministry at Christ Lutheran Church in 1970's when I was little boy. She invloved in visitation program, she visited house to house with her members.

    Let you know my mother invloves church ministry so much today since I was baby.

    I would like to type down what the verses of TEV on 'Romans Road' say: "all men have sinned and are far away from God's saving presence"- Romans 3:23

    TEV does make a good sense familar with KJV of Romans 3:23. There is no difference between TEV and KJV of Romans 3:23, both are same doctrine.

    TEV Romans 6:23 say: "For sin pays its wage - death; but God's free gift is eternal life in union with Christ Jesus our Lord."

    There is no problem with TEV of Romans 6:23. There is no difference between KJV and TEV of Romans 6:23. Both are same doctrine.

    TEV Romans 10:9-10 say: "If you declare with your lips, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For we believe in our hearts and are put right with God; we declare with our lips and are saved."

    I do not see problem with TEV of Romans 10:9-10, it obivously speak of salvation. There is no difference between TEV and KJV of Romans 10:9-10. Both are same doctrine.

    TEV Eph. 2:8-9 (mom drew with red pen on it) it says: "For it is by God's grace that you have been saved through faith.l It is not your own doing, but God's gift. There is nothing here to boast of, since it is not the result of your own efforts."

    I do not see problem with TEV of Eph. 2:8-9. There is no difference between TEV and KJV of Eph. 2:8-9. Both are same doctrine.

    TEV 2 Corinthians 6:2 say: "Hear what God says: "I heard you in the hour of my favor, I help you in the day of salvation." Listen! This is the hour to receive God's favor, today is the day to be saved!"

    I see no problem with TEV of 2 Cor. 6:2. There is no difference between TEV and KJV. Both are same doctrine.

    I am curious to ask you questions of your opinions about evangelism with versions:
     
  2. mesly

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    I voted yes to everything but the KJVOnly question. I want to clarify the Mormon bible question. I voted yes because they use the KJV bible - I didn't mean to imply that one could get saved while reading the Book of Mormon.
     
  3. Askjo

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    The Mormon Bible is the cult, another gospel. If you use the mormon Bible to witness anyone, the warning is Gal.1:8-12.
     
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    To be completely accurate the Mormon's Bible is the King James Version. So their Bible is not a cult. They do have additional books they hold as Scripture, Doctrines & Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, The Book of Mormon. In dealing with the KJV Bible their theology is that the Bible is correct as long as it is interpreted correctly, ie. by the Mormon Church.

    We need to be careful in stating that their Bible is a cult, for we fail to see that they use the same Bible we do only in an improper way. For they are indeed a cult.

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    Askjo,

    Yes, you are right, Mormon Bible is a cult. Once I own Mormon Bible. I brought it with Mormon history comic book about Jesus came to America, he died in America, not in Israel. That is so diguist doctrine.

    I learned Mormon when I was NTID(National Technical Insitute for the Deaf) student in Rochester, NY, its campus at R.I.T. by through teacher at First Bible Baptist Church. He said, There is some gospel in Mormon Bible. I can't remember where verse in Mormon Bible do have some gospel in it.

    But, honest, Mormon Bible is FAR worst than any 'Christianity' Versions. There so MUCH added words completely of strange doctrines and complex, it makes me so sick. I rid it away for good.

    Yes, I heard that some saying we can use few verses in Mormon Bible to witness Mormon salvation.

    We can use Catholic Bible to witness gospel to Catholic people. Because it have salvation there.

    Late Dr. John R. Rice said, we can use verses from Catholic Bible to witness gospel to Catholic people. If suppose Catholic people have their own Bible - Catholic Bible at their home, when we visit Catholic. Can ask Catholic for use their Bible, so can show verses to them, like as use Roman Roads to witness them salvation.

    I read at baptist-city.com on Dr. Hyles's sermon - 'Our Enemy of Soul-Winning'. He said, a person read throughout whole RSV, cannot be saved. I strong disagree with him. I was saved by read TEV in Rev. 20:11-15 without anyone witness gospel to me how to become saved. TEV Rev. 20:11-15 caused me became guilt about lake of fire. I don't want go there, so, I bow down and asked Jesus to forgive me and I told him, I do not want go there and miss him. I accepted Christ at home in August 17, 1988.

    I do believe God can saved people through ANY Version, not just for KJV only.

    Before I saved, I didn't realize TEV have lot of errors, omit verses. Doesn't mean that I against God's Word. I was desire seeking for the truth, that's all. TEV and any versions do have doctrine of salvation there.

    Two Versions that I against is Mormon Bible and Koran. Both are so much cult and no word 'Jesus' mentioned in them. We do not use them. We use 'Christianity' Versions like TEV, NIV, RSV, ASV, NKJV, KJV, etc... to witness people to become saved, because these do have salvation include Jesus Christ there.

    My point is, I do not agree with KJVO group, they saying King James Version ONLY! Means all another Versions are not good, and all are corrupt, no good for salvation. That is not true. Didn't you know that ALL versions come from KJV. I consider KJV is the 'Mother of English Bibles'. All versions do have doctrine of salvation. Because KJV have doctrine of salvation. There is no difference between KJV and any versions, all have the same doctrine of salvation.

    I ask you question, does KJV exists up in the heaven before 1611 A.D.? No. Christians' mind, they have God's Word in their hearts and minds in the heaven.

    During Jesus' ministry, English Bible was not yet exist in Christ's time. Christ use Torah or scripture to teaching, these were canoned during 400 years of Silence between 400 B.C. to Christ's birth. Most of them were Hebrews. So, the Early Church use Old Testament scriptures to teaching the congregation these were in Hebreews, Latin, and Greek. Some saying it also have Armatic too.

    Keep in mind, we do not worship KJV, we worship Jesus Christ, we thank God for Jesus died on the cross for our sins, and saved us from sins and hell. That what the gospel is for.

    Early Church from 1st Century to 13th Century, preached God's Word while English Bible was not yet exist, many people were saved by the gospel, not just for KJV only.

    I telling you, while we shall live eternality with Christ, we all (both O.T. and N.T. saints) will forget discuss Versions include KJV forever and ever, we just worship Jesus Christ forever and ever.

    Agree?

    I am not saying that we forget God's Word. we ought giving thankful to God for the Scriptures, so, we can hear the gospel and saved through it. God never fail us for 5000 years. Satan did try to destroy God's Word throughout many Centuries. Satan used Catholic people to burn thousands of Bibles and manuscripts in the past. But, they cannot them, God's Word still alive and powerful, it spread over nations through centuries. Thank God for the Scriptures that we still have it to today and forever and ever.

    Amen?

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
     
  6. Askjo

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    Correct!

    I read that before.

    Jack Hyles used one verse saying Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible , by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. (1 Peter 1:23)

    No, they did not come from the KJV. If they come from the KJV, where are many verses missing in MVs?

    You need to look up some verses.
    1 John 5:7
    Acts 8:37
    Matthew 18:11
    Matthew 17:21
    Mark 9:44,46
    and more....

    His Word is above all. (Psalm 138:2)
     
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    Askjo,

    Yes, I know. I did read Dr. Hyles' sermon about incorruptible word on the sermon - Enemy of the Soul Winning.

    He believes all different versions are corruptible. He believes KJV is the ONLY Bible which is INcorupptible.

    He was partially correct. Yes, many versions are corruptible.

    Yes, that correct, many verions omit verses, and important words. I already know that long time ago.

    But, the point is, all versions (not include Mormon Bible and Koran) do have doctrine of salvation, mentioned about Jesus Christ too. So, it is safe to witness people on any versions, because these have salvation.

    KJV ONLY????????????????

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
     
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    I am 100% agree with Psalms 138:2 - amen! [​IMG]

    The point is, during year 500 A.D. what kind of version - God's Word in the heaven?

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
     
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    I am amazing, so far all 11 persons saying, we can witness the gospel to person from ANY versions.

    I say to 11 persons who voted on it, Amen!

    So far, 11 persons are not KJVO. Praise the Lord!

    Understand, I am NOT against KJV.

    We CAN witness gospel to person by KJV. But, do not limited for KJV only, also, we CAN use any versions to witness gospel to person.

    Expectly, Koran and Mormon Bible no.

    But, in other way, it is very rare possible to pick few verses from Mormon Bible to show Mormon about salvation.

    Actually, not necessary to use Mormon Bible, because we know it is so very disguise!!!

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
     
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    I also thought "Mormon Bible" mean
    the KJV that they distribute free.
    The "Book of Mormom" is NOT a Bible, in
    that definition. So it seems the 50/50 split
    on the question of the Mormom Bible is
    a definition problem. I agree, the "Book of
    Mormon" is NOT anything worthwhile.
    And as someone above noted, the Mormons
    have yet another sacred book: DOCTRINES &
    COVENTS usually printed with PEARL OF GREAT
    PRICE - neither of which is a Bible.
     
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    The LSD...er...LDS believe the KJV "as far as it's accurately translated". There's a "Joseph Smith" KJV out there for them.

    If one had the very Autographa, he/she couldn't witness to others truly while using the LDS doctrines.

    Something I always wondered - If God became God by living the Mormon lifestyle, then are LDS "children of a lesser god"? Seems that he who PROMOTED God into God would be more powerful. I.E. "the promotER is greater than he whom he promotes".
     
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    So far, I notice 14 persons voted, that all of them believe tha,t we can witness to person from ANY versions.

    Praise the Lord! So, far these are not KJVO.

    I would like to see more people to vote on these, please.

    In Christ
    Rev. 22:20 - Amen!
     
  13. Phillip

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    I agree. The question is confusing because I did not know if it was relating to the Book of Mormon or The King James Bible.

    My brother-in-law is deep into Mormonism -- has two wives now, how can he handle that :rolleyes: ) He had a large Bible laying on his couch one day when we were visiting and I picked it up and started reading it. King James Version, no problem, I kept turning pages and ran right into the book of Mormon bound in the same book. That was a slight shock (although I should have realized it) that they were bound together in a very nice leather cover. No different than the Catholic Bible...... :(

    I do not know if it is related to the Mormonism, but the boy has extreme emotional problems. Blew a gasket at his grandmother's funeral, chewing everybody out for getting into HIS business, now he won't talk to the rest of the family. Oh well, not much you can do in a case like that.
     
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    Phillip said: My brother-in-law is deep into Mormonism -- has two wives now, how can he handle that )........... the boy has extreme emotional problems. Blew a gasket at his grandmother's funeral, chewing everybody out for getting into HIS business.....

    It's the TWO MOTHER IN LAWS Phillip!
     
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    Your not kidding........

    The funny part is he dumped his first wife who introduced him to the second wife, then he married another one introduced by the second one. Gotta mess with someone's brain, ya know!

    Oh well, back to the subject. I think one has to be very careful with Mormons anyway since they believe in a different Jesus. If you do use their Bible (and I mean "Bible" not Book of Mormon") or your own Bible, you have to be very clear explaining there aren't extra God's out there and Jesus is the Only Son of the Only God. They are quite mixed up. I remember my daughter questioning a Mormon boy in high school and I told her to ask him the relationship between Jesus and Satan. Sure enough he said they were brothers. That's all it took for my daughter. [​IMG]
     

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