Woman loses fight to wear cross

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  1. Daughter

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    From: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6165368.stm

    What do you guys think about this?


    Woman loses fight to wear cross
    A British Airways (BA) employee has lost her fight to openly wear a cross necklace at work at Heathrow.


    Nadia Eweida, 55, of Twickenham, has been on unpaid leave since her bosses told her she could not visibly wear her cross at the check-in counter.
    She lost her appeal against the decision by BA when she met with the airline bosses on Monday morning.
    BA denied it had banned the wearing of crosses and said Ms Eweida had a right to a second appeal.


    It said its uniform policy stated that such items could be worn if concealed underneath the uniform.
    Nadia Eweida said she was effectively "forced" to take unpaid leave after refusing to conceal the symbol.
    Ms Eweida said during Monday's meeting British Airways told her it respected her faith and accepted the cross was not jewellery, but would be standing by its original decision.
    She added: "I am fairly disappointed but I'm looking forward to the next stage because the cross is important and the truth will be revealed.
    "It is important to wear it to express my faith so that other people will know that Jesus loves them."
    Ms Eweida said people of other faiths were allowed to wear visible religious symbols such as headscarves and she wanted to be allowed to do the same.
     
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    And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Mark 13:13

    Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. Matt 24:9

    And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. Luke 21:17

    If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. John 15:18

    For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. ICor1:18

    For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:Phil3:18
     
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    There is a big difference between wearing head scarves and wearing cross necklaces. Women where head coverings for modesty reasons which is part of their religious code. There is no Christian code requiring people to where cross necklaces. It is not a sin for one not to where a cross.
     
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    Well that's sad.
     
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    I agree with that, but, then, this is a question of their being discriminating. I suppose they would hire an employee full of tatoos in his or her arms, and not be able to do anything about it since that is her expression of herself or his expression of himself. Or one who has one part of the hair colored red, the other part, blue, and another part, violet ?
    I think she should be allowed to wear her cross, not necessarily for the reasons she cited which I personally do not subscribe to myself, but for her right to express her faith.
    As long as she is not pushing anyone to a corner into accepting Christ or pushing her religion on someone else. Isn't that what we say freedom is ?
    That's why women are free to wear their skirts as long or as short as they want ? Or paint their faces as absurdly as they want ? Or wear their hair in the most outlandish way they want ? And that goes for the men, too ?
     
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    I agree, I think that she should be allowed to wear her necklace. It is a proclamation of faith, however I do not know the industry's reasons for not wanting her to where it openly. that dress code could have been enacted due to problems in the past, and private buisness has a right to enforce dress codes for whatever reasons. And I know people who have not been allowed to work at certain places due to facial tatoos that cannot be covered by standard uniforms.
     
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    None of that is truth.

    Head scarves are NOT for modesty.

    Further, since when is FORCING Christians to NOT wear the Cross EVEN REMOTELY a reasonable religious expression?

    We can be forced to allow women to worship satan's little gods as they wear their headscarves, but Christians ARE NOT to be ALLOWED to honor the One True God.

    I do not know where that is supposed to make sence, but it does not make sence to me.

    :jesus: is Lord.


     
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    In all reality, many muslims argue that this is not true, that the hijab is a traditional, not a religious head cover that dates back to ancient civilizations and does not seem to be supported or advocated by the quran. The majority of muslim women in the West do not wear them, so that would seem to reinforce the argument that it is traditional rather than religious. Also, the burqa may also be considered religious by some (like the Taliban) who insist it is religious. Yet, if indeed the burqa is religious, muslim women throughout the entire world would be wearing them or be subject to punishment. Some muslims would argue that the quran calls the religion of islam the perfect head covering and therefore the hijab is not necessary.

    I guess the argument could be made that if muslims are trying to make a point in the western socieities in which they live, they can insist that the hijab is religious. If they are permiited to wear them in our western societies under our religious freedom, then Christians should be allowed to wear cross necklaces.

    (from the Internet)
    As an aside, on September 13, Kiran Shahzadi, a 15-year-old Christian schoolgirl who attends a government school in Pakistan, was rebuked by her Arabic Muslim teacher, Naisra Latif, for wearing a cross. When she refused to remove it, her teacher began to beat her and took her to the principal. The Principal also beat her, tore the cross from her neck, and threw it in the dustbin. Kiran was then forced to stand in the sun for several hours without water.
     
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    Funny, just above, is a story about muslim clerics not being allowed on a flight because they were obviously Muslims.

    The funny thing is, a lot of people won't realize that once you can violate the religious rights of Muslims, you can also violate the religious rights of Christians.

    And I bet that many of those who are outraged at the woman who was not allowed to wear a cross, are fine with tossing Muslims off a flight.
     
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    Two separate countries, differing rules, comparison doesn't compute.
     
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    Galatian

    Every now and then you make some sense in a different manner . . .

    I reckon that this was one of those times.

     
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    Read about and understand the different schools of Islamic thought before you say such things. And she wasn't being forced not to wear it, she was being forced to keep it concealed and if you look I said that I agree that she should be able to wear it openly.
     
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    Did I make any reference to Hijab in particular? I agree that much of it is cultural, but what is not cultural is a sense of modesty that is a religious duty to maintain.

    Christians use to wear head covering too, it was to keep "power" on their heads and was done for modesty reasons as well. We don't do it anymore because we are a more secular society here in the west.

    The laws of modesty differ depending on what Hadiths said Muslims follow. The Qur'an states that women should remain modest and covering ones head is for religious reasons, the extent of the coverage differs according to cultural trends and according to which school of thought you belong to (hence why all Muslims do not wear it, nor wear the same thing).

    We're just talking about ehad scarves here, not full blown Burkas, I know Muslim women who live here in the United States and wear head scarves for religious reasons.
     
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    From the Al'Qur'an Sura 24 verse 31:

    And tell the believing women to restrain their looks in public and guard the chastity and not disclose their beauty except such as cannot be helped and draw their head coverings over their bosoms.

    Men are also ordered to "restrain" their looks in the presence of women.

    Modesty is a religious practice in Islam and does include head coverings, the degree of which depends on both your culture and which school of thought you adhere to.
     
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    So since you say it is a religious practice, crosses should be allowed as a religious practice, also. In a democratic society, what is fair for one is supposed to be fair for the other, unlike islamic society.
     
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    I can't speak for others, but I am.
     
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    They were not allowed on a flight NOT because they were Muslims but because they behaved in a way that aroused anxiety among some passengers.

    Eveyday there are Muslims in Muslim clothing and obviously Muslim accents who board flights, so do they get thrown off the plane because they are Muslims ?

    As a matter of fact, if I recall correctly, there have been other times when a flight has been aborted, or held up, because Caucasians and other races have acted in a way so as to cause anxiety.

    I know you are simply trying to be "democratic" but let us stick with facts.

    Muslims are not underdogs and are not being treated or regarded as underdogs in this country.

    This country has been very tolerant of Muslims even after 9/11.
     
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    I believe anyone that wants to call himself a Muslim, should be watched diligently, be searched at every airport, discouraged from practicing their religion, especially when it disrupts normal citizenry and generally shunned, and ultimately deported in order to protect Americans from them. They are not misguided peace loving religions like Mormons or JDubs or even Hindus, but are evil vicious predators bent on killing any and all people of God.
     
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    They prayed out loud.

    What is an obviously Muslim accent? As far as I know, Muslims tend to have the same regional accents as other inhabitants of the region. In Bangladesh, for instance, you cannot distinguish between Muslim, Hindu and Christian based on accent, although, I'm told, people from West Bengal have a more elegant way of speaking.
     
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    Very, very true. Even though CAIR and other Muslim groups cry wolf.

    Muslims aren't even racially profiled because there are many black Muslims in America now - since they are actively recruiting in our jails and prisons.

    As far as the airport incident goes, if I was waiting to board a flight and six muslim imams decided to recite prayers out loud, being the confrontational person I am, I would probably have confronted them to tell them they were infringing upon my civil liberties as an American, that many non-Muslims are offended by them reciting prayers in a public setting in this non-Muslim country. And then, I would have contacted the airport authorities for suspicious activity and refused to board the plane unless they were removed. Muslims need to accept the fact that this is post-09/11 and we live in a different world - they have no one to thank but themselves. And, BTW, I AM for racial profiling and wish our government would do it and stop being so PC.
     
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