Woman! Put you your head covering on and SHUT UP!

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  1. Inquiring Mind

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    In reply to Eliyahu on his denomination of "Plymouth Brethren".

    His church still believes that all women are to have their heads covered while attending church. His church still believes that woman are to be silent in church.

    How do you reconcile the scriptures that contain this?
     
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    Women are to be silent in church. The headcovering is revealed to be a woman's long hair. So women should stop shearing their headcovering off, and remain silent in the church.
     
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    I always thought that "silence" in the Church meant not having a say in how the church is ran...not physical silence.
     
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    And yet 1Cor 14 says "EACH one has a revelation and EACH one has a tongue" to share in church.

    How interesting.
     
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    If the women remained silent in church, we wouldn't have a church. Ever notice have the congregation in to-days churches.

    And her hair is not her covering. Check out the Greek words again. Two different words used for hair,,her glory, and a covering, a specific problem in that church...a cultural problem.

    Cheers,

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    If not for J. N. Darby and the PBs you Baptists would still be "reformed."
     
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    1 Corinthians 14:34-35
    34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
    35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

    If the literal sense makes sense seek no other sense. But immediately some woman will stand up and say I'm wrong. ;) God bless the women, they have to put up with a lot, don't they?
     
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    Obviously Paul is refering to each man. It's to keep false prophetesses from making messes in the house of God. If God want's to give a revelation in the church, He'll give it to a man.
     
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    Ain't it the truth! :thumbs:
     
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    Yes sir the bible says that but keep reading...

    1Co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
    1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
    1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

    Also there is the scripture that Paul states...
    Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    I have been set free by the blood of the Lamb. Jesus said go and preach the gospel and thats what I intend to do.

    Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

    Either I follow man or Lord.... I choose to follow the Lord. :flower:
     
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    Concerning head coverings...
    1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
     
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    No, it isn't. But it would lead to more order in the church and that is what Paul was referring to. In 1Cor.14 he was speaking in the context of spiritual gifts which have now ceased.
    However that is not the only place he speaks of women keeping silence in the church.

    1 Timothy 2:11-12 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

    Here Paul is specifically teaching Timothy about church order, and conduct in the local church. It is a command for churches everywhere in every culture in every age. Women are to keep silence in the church.
    What is meant by church? By church a building is never referred to. They didn't have church bulldings in the NT era. Church means assembly. Where the church, the people, gathered together for worship, the women were to be silent. They were not to be the ones doing the teaching and preaching. They were to learn at home. They could not have authority over a man. That was against God's order, both in the church and in the home. It has been that way since the creation of Adam and Eve. The same principle holds true for the reason a woman must wear a head covering--to show her submission to her husband; that the husband is the head and has authority over the woman, even as Christ has authority over the man.
    Women are to keep silent in the church. It is a command of Scripture. It has nothing to do with culture. God expects it to be obeyed.
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    Then don't be contentious. In any man seem to be contentious, we have no usch custom (of being contentious), neither do the churches of God have any custom of being contentious. Are you contentious? We don't have a custom of being contentious. Go away if you are contentious. We here obey the commands of God and are not contentious about them. That is Paul's meaning.
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    Does this mean that you are choosing to be ignorant, and not acknowledge that the command for a woman to keep silence in the church is a command of the Lord?
     
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    1Cor 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
    1Cor 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
    1Cor 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious (fond of strife, that is, disputatious: - contentious.), we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

    No DHK... I am not fond of strife thats why I have no such custom about head coverings. Why should I want to put people back in bondage?

    John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

    :jesus: He made me free! :flower:
     
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    Theres more permission given to speak than to keep silence. In bible history there was a reason at that time for women to keep silence. If Paul can speak of Priscilla teaching Apollos in Acts 18 then something had to be happening with the Corinths.
     
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    Your statement is pure assumption:

    Acts 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
    How do you know that Priscilla didn't keep quiet, and Aquilla didn't do all the teaching? I am sure that both of them didn't keep speaking at the same time. No doubt it was a man to man talk, as the culture dictated. It is very doubtful that Apollos would subject himself to the teaching of any woman.
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    You need a "BIK" button.
    "Boy I'm Konfused"
    Nowhere in 1Cor.11, does Paul refer to the law. It was the law, the OT law that kept people in bondage. Paul was speaking of NT commands. It was a NT command for women to wear head-coverings in the local church. This had nothing to do with the law or the OT. It was a NT command. It has nothing to do with bondage. It has everything to do with a sign of headship. If you neglect the commands of Christ you neglect Christ himself. It is His Word. This has nothing to do with culture. There is no time limit here. The reasons are clearly set forth in the first 16 verses, and there are many of them. Study the passage. If you can't come to the conclusion that a woman needs to wear a headcovering in the church service then you are simply rejecting the word of God over your own preference. It is very clearly set forth.
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    I don't see where it said they took him to church and Priscilla taught him. I know one thing, if you are going to use Galatians 3:28 as a justification for women speaking in church, you have opened the door to a world of confusion. What would be the bar to using that verse to justify sodomy?
     
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    Philip had 4 daughters who were prophetesses didnt he?

    Acts:2:17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams

    Acts:21:9: And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
     

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