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Discussion in 'Forum for Polls' started by SaggyWoman, Sep 5, 2007.
Should a church endorse a woman for chaplaincy? (It would mean ordaination.)
A female friend of mine is a female chaplain. She works in a public hospital along with other chaplains of other faiths. Most of the time, she is working with families of terminally ill patients and sharing God's love & grace. She is not preaching or administering the sacraments (or ordinances if you prefer).
She may not now, but at some point in her career she will have to do the above, which acts of course go against the Bible.
no, it is not the woman's place
Within a hospital context (especially a public hospital), she will not have to do either. So if not, what is the problem?
It is not a woman's place to pray with those who are hurting, to share the love of God and to witness to others??
Isn't ordination a setting apart for the purpose of service?
I do understand the premise of the discussion, but i think if we had a proper understanding of ordination as a setting apart for service rather than being "exalted to a position of power" (which is what it becomes all to often)...debates like this wouldn't be taking place as much.
Just my 2 cents, which is probably an over charge on my part.
The problem with that thought though, is that most do not take it to mean being set apart for service, but instead, most take it to be an authoritative exaltation.
In regards to the OP... I voted no to the highest extreme.
I will also add that as a young man I strongly looked into being a chaplain, but was soo informed that there would be certain times where I would be expected to undermine God's standards in the name of ecumenicalism. I think the idea of chaplainacy is great, unfortunately for the most part, it has gone the way everything else does, to hell.
A Military chaplain is not expected to go against his beliefs. I was talking to a BBF chaplain once in Germany. He was the only chaplain at a remote post. Communion is normally served the first Sunday in chapels. I asked him how he dwelt with this since he was the only Chaplain and the fact he believed in closed communion. He answer was very simple. He had a guest speaker the first Sunday of every month - and nobody ever caught on!!
A chaplain is not expected to reasonably compromise his beliefs. On the other hand, a GARBC chaplain told me he felt uneasy with a female chaplain on the platform with him - well not much you can do about that.
I think you have to keep one thing in mind. The military is a different culture and sometimes you have to reasonably adept to it. A chaplain is not required to do anything that goes against his doctrinal beliefs. For example, a Baptist chaplain would not be required to preside at a "baptism" by sprinkling .
AT my first PCS, I attended the Air Force chapel. Our chaplain was a Methodist - a Bible believing Methodist - and he preached the Word of God. He even gave invitations at the end of the service!
That was exactly what I was told tentmaker, thank you for the clarity.
OK, how does this disqualify a women [as opposed to a man] from being a chaplain?
Or, are you against anyone from being a chaplain???
In order to be a Chaplain you must be ordained as a Minister. Any woman accepting ordination as a MINISTER is in violation of Scripture. The role of Chaplain is understood as an extension of the church and an extension of the office of the Pastor...Minister whatever synonym you want to use.
As a chaplain in the Canadian Army, we followed the service of the Anglican Church. We followed the Prayer Book. I did not have to sprinkle infants, however.
At war, we also had special "orders" from the Pope to perform final rights on a dying Catholic soldier, and I did so, with clear conscience.
I don't recall any female chaplains in my 8 years of active service, but I would have welcomed one. Back then, women did not serve on the battlefield as combat forces. They were nurses.
I do not oppose female preachers either, and neither did the Apostle Paul, who recognized female deaconesses in the scripture, such as Phoebe and others.
As to the Lord's Supper, Who says it is left up to a minister? Any member of the local church can administer the elements. It is not a sacrament or high order. It is communion. It is a celebration in remembrance of the Lord. Stop making it some magical service of spirituality.
A preacher does not have to be ordained. Spurgeon was never ordained by his choosing...He reportedly said, "Why lay empty hands on empty heads..."
Oridination, as we know it to-day, is a fancy idea of the churches, and it satisfies the government for official duties. In Canada, on letter from one's denomination, one can be licences to perform weddings without ordination. The licence is issued by each province. When I moved from one province to another, I had to apply for a new licence. Even with ordination, I had to be approved by my "denominational" head office.
If a woman can go against the Bible and be in a position of authority as such, that is her choice.
If anyone can sacrifice partial freedom of conscience and certain scriptural admonitions in order to line up with government standards, that is their choice.
Not all chaplains are military chaplains.
I don't view chaplaincy - especially with hospitals - as a position of authority. Instead, I see it as a position of service.
I don't see how being a chaplain requires one to sacrifice his or her conscience or Scripture either.
I guess -- according to your view -- there should be no Christian chaplains.
Military chaplain maybe, but there are other chaplains. A couple in our church are the chaplains for the county jail. Which I disagree with her doing it, to these people in jail a chaplain is their pastor.
Yes, indeed. I have to agree with you....
Many "ministers" are not "ordained."