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Women in combat

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by thjplgvp, Jan 26, 2007.

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  1. thjplgvp

    thjplgvp Member

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    Idea taken from George W Bush family values. :cool:

    Women in Military

    Based on the general views of our society today and mine as well I would deny women being on the front lines for the following reasons.

    1. The propensity for men to protect during times of danger
    2. Male and female interaction forms emotional bonds which leads to jealousy
    3. Strength and agility are not he same and yet must be treated as identical
    4. Thinking patterns vary greatly in that the female, generally speaking, will arrive at the same conclusion but slower because her process is different this does not mean she is less intelligent or unable to draw proper conclusions. (this is fact)
    5. Media and much of America immediately sees the wounding of a woman as the wounding of a non-soldier or someone who should not have been present. (why I have no idea)

    Historically speaking the role of women in military is seen totally different than we today see it. This first came to my attention a while back when I did a study on the churches of Revelation 2-3. To my astonishment I found ample reference to two of the cities in Asia Minor as having been started by Amazon Warrior women. Smyrna and Ephesus: Today’s Turkish city Ismir has long been called Smyrna and like Ephesus, the Greek historian Strabo (634 B.C. – 24 A.D.) states in his 17 volume work entitled ‘Geographika” that Smyrna’s founders were Amazon warriors.

    At the time I could not pursue this revelation to its end nor have I at this point. But in reading since I remember that Alexander had a legion of female warriors as did Rome around 200 A.D. in Britain. Russia had a battalion of women called, if I remember correctly, the legion or battalion of death. Israel has unofficially kept about 400 women in their secret service as does the US as do most nations and who can forget the female Guerrillas (little ones) in South America.

    One of the most feared military persons in Viet Nam was a female sniper known to wound soldiers and then openly torture them by cutting their genitals. She was killed by Carlos Hathcock the Marine Corps Sniper who in the movie ‘Sniper’ Tom Bearinger was acting his supposed role.


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  2. Scarlett O.

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    I'm not going to address your post because anything that I say isn't going to change your opinion of women. I'd be in the minority around here anyway with any of my own opinions and evidence of the importance of VietNam nurses, WASPS, WAVES, and current female military personnel.

    But I am curious as any where there is research that proves that women are slow thinkers and can't arrive at a conclusion at the same rate as a man. You did state that this as a fact.....so I'd like to see those facts, if you don't mind.
     
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  3. Jim1999

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    Women served in Korea at the field hospitals, but not in a combat role. We still had a patriarchal society then, and it didn't seem right for women to be in combat. It has nothing to do with their strength, weakness, or anything like that. It was purely a societal thing. Those nurses faced as much combat as some men, and did so quite bravely. Field hospitals were extremely close to the battlefields, and were often attacked.

    I wouldn't "feel" right having a woman in the actual field of battle, but that is my age speaking.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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  4. thjplgvp

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    Scarlett,

    Let me reiterate I did not say that intelligence is different, I said the processing of information is different and in most cases, not all, it is slower.

    Here is a recent science article that will help you to understand why I wrote what I did. BTW this is not the only article or book available on the subject.

    http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/050120_brain_sex.html

    thanks for the question

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  5. Bro. Curtis

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    I'm only 45, but I think a truly civilized society doesn't send it's women into combat.
     
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  6. Daisy

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    That article doesn't say anything about women thinking more slowly just the math/verbal tendencies and gray & white matter differences.
     
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  7. Scarlett O.

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    The article was about the difference in the amounts of gray matter and white matter in men and women. Men have more gray matter and women have more white matter. Here's a direct quote from the article.

    "The results from this study may help explain why men and women excel at different types of tasks, said co-author and neuropsychologist Rex Jung of the University of New Mexico. For example, men tend to do better with tasks requiring more localized processing, such as mathematics, Jung said, while women are better at integrating and assimilating information from distributed gray-matter regions of the brain, which aids language skills."

    I don't see where one can extrapolate from these findings that women are slow thinkers.....or slower thinkers than men.

    Here's another direct quote.

    "Scientists find it very interesting that while men and women use two very different activity centers and neurological pathways, men and women perform equally well on broad measures of cognitive ability, such as intelligence tests."

    If women could not think as fast as a man and could not draw a conclusion as fast as a man, then they would not score equally well on these broad measures of cognitive ability (intelligence tests) because many of these tests are timed. And if not timed, the length of time it takes you to finish can alter your score.
     
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  8. thjplgvp

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    Once again I did not say you are slow thinkers, I said that generally you arive at conclusions slower. It has nothing to do with thinking or with intellegence but everything to do with how you gather information and process that information.

    In context a female soldier has to process all the information of a battle field scenario and evaluate flight or fight and all its options with out having anyone to talk to about it. She must calculate all the information given at a point in time and arrive at an instant decision. This in essence is a mathmatic calculation that may mean the difference between life and death.

    If you think the majority of women can process that information as fast as a man you are wrong. It is not an insult it is the way God made us. It is not a competition it is survival. It is not peace time decisions made while setting at a key board it is a decision that is made while bullets are flying and someone is trying to kill you.

    Without being mean I stand by my comments.

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  9. Scarlett O.

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    I'm not trying to push the "women in combat" issue. As I said earlier, there is nothing I can say to sway your opinion.

    I just don't understand the correlation between the article and your opinion that women are less capable in highly stressful "fight or flight" situations.

    But, what do I know....you're probably just ahead of me in drawing that conclusion. :laugh:

    I won't belabor the point anymore.
     
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  10. ASLANSPAL

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    Cased closed we had this debate 2 years ago...does not hold weight anymore

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    Gay women especially are strong and durable with endurance ...ah yes they are already in our military .(born that way ..daddy's little tom boy grew up to be G.I. Jane.)

    They are more than capable like I said we had this debate 2 or so years ago and those who want to go back to a Taliban style of life are from the stone age.

    The debate is over ..women can and will serve in the military and succeed .

    The whole world has women in military operations...we finally got smart and recognized a patriotic source.
     
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  11. carpro

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    Steroids and a little testosterone can change the female physique dramatically.
     
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  12. Bob Farnaby

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    nor its men .....

    Regards
    Bob
     
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  13. El_Guero

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    IMHO. While I do not want women on the front lines, this post is offensive, inaccurate, and it flagrantly disgraces the brave women of our country that are defending your right to post such nonsense.

    I proudly led soldiers some of whom you would call, 'un-intelligent'. Some of the soldiers that I led you would call 'slow.'

    Stupid, slow, and ugly people can all become Medal of Honor recipients. But, they cannot receive that honor when they show the the blatant cowardice that you have shown in this thread.

    IMHO of course.



     
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  14. LadyEagle

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    That is because we are not machines. :saint:
     
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  15. Predestined

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    Amen brother........amen.
     
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  16. fromtheright

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    BC,

    Thanks. That has been my argument all along. Lots of practical reasons but that is my fundamental argument.
     
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  17. Marcia

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    Maybe you mean that men tend to be more decisive? I agree with that.

    I do not think that in general women think or process things more slowly than men - that's a different category.

    I do think we were made differently and that men in general tend to be more aggressive, more unconcerned with hurting people's feelings, more decisive, more physically oriented, and physically stronger.

    It's just a biological fact that women do not have the muscle mass of men, nor the upper body strength.

    BTW, I'm glad I'm a woman! :love2: I have no desire to be in combat. I don't think that mothers should enlist if they might be called to combat, either.
     
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    My two cents--neither women nor sodomites should be allowed in the military. One of Rumsfeld's mistakes was that he insisted that sodomite activist Steve Herbits should be hired as a temporary inside the Pentagon to help Rumsfeld with personnel decisions and organizational matters. Rumsfeld violated military code. Women may be physically incapable but sodomites are mentally ill--both groups should be shown some consideration and be made exempt. Women should be deployed militarily as they were during World War II. They should not be allowed to attend military schools.
     
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  19. LadyEagle

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    Rumsfeld did more than violate the military code, that is just one thing he is guilty of, IMO.

    Hey, CMG, your age (and mine) is showing. We just aren't with the times.
     
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  20. Scarlett O.

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    You certainly have the right to your opinion, as does everyone here.

    However, and maybe it's just me (the resident BB feminist), but your opinions about "women and sodomites" being unacceptable in the military would have been more palatable if you had made a case for each in two different posts and not lumped the two together for exemption as if somehow they are equal in their being unqualified to represent the United States.
     
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