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Women in politics/leadership roles

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Gina B, Sep 11, 2003.

  1. Major B

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    Sometimes (as with Deborah), the men of a generation and a nation are so wimpy that God chooses a woman for leadership. For instance, Britain in the 1980s--Maggie Thatcher was the only real man there...
     
  2. Baptist in Richmond

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    Please explain the thought process for this statement concerning Deborah.
     
  3. Thankful

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    Jailminister said
    Thank you Jailminister. I am sorry it took so long to get back to you on this.

    My point is that, although the playing of the organ at church is a parttime job, it is a job that I do away from the home. You had stated that it was ok for women to work as long as they stayed at home to do it or at least that it how I interpreted what you said.

    Gina's original question was about childless women taking on roles of leadership. I am not childless, but my children are grown.

    Although I do not need your approval to do any kind of work, it is interesting how you interpret what is right and wrong according to scripture.

    Gina, I see nothing wrong with a childless woman taking on roles of leadership. In fact, I see nothing wrong with any woman taking on roles of leadership.

    I remember as a child I'm not sure we would have had a church if the women had not taken on roles of leadership. I was very young during World War II, but women had to step forward to take care of the home front.

    I will say again that no woman should feel guilty if it is necessary for her to work outside the home.
     
  4. Jailminister

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    Playing The piano at church should be part of the family. It is not a "job". It also has nothing to do with leadership. I know you don't need my permission and it is your choice. Just make sure it lines up with the Word of God. Now women can lead other women, but just not the man.
     
  5. ScottEmerson

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    If a woman got elected to the House of Representatives or the Senate in your district or state, would you move?
     
  6. Johnv

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    For that matter, if a woman was elected to the local city or town council, or elected to the board of supervisors, school board, or appointed/elected judge in the disctrict, would he move? If his company had hired a woman to a management position, would he quit?

    He's already said he disapproves of women in law enforcement.
     
  7. ScottEmerson

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    For that matter, if a woman was elected to the local city or town council, or elected to the board of supervisors, school board, or appointed/elected judge in the disctrict, would he move? If his company had hired a woman to a management position, would he quit?

    He's already said he disapproves of women in law enforcement.
    </font>[/QUOTE]According to his worldview, would he be in sin if he didn't?
     
  8. Jailminister

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    Now guys, don't be silly. What I believe is based on the Word Of God. Don't criticize me unless you are wanting to rebute God's word. As long as we live in this present world, we will always have to try to live in it. I am sure that there are some adulterers and drunks and liars and sodomites that are elected officials from my city, county, state and country. So far I haven't moved. The bible is not written to the world because the world can not understand it, it is written for the child of God. Jesus did not die for the world, He died for those who were His. Does that mean we can't witness to the world? NO. But we are not going to save the world either. If anyone has ears to hear they have no problem with the scriptures.
     
  9. ScottEmerson

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    We're not rebuking the Word of God. We're rebuking your interpretation of it. They are not the same thing.

    But if it is a sin for women to take leadership over men, then you are sinning by having women over you. God told us to live in the world, not succumb to sin while doing so, right?

    The gospel is for the entire world. They may not understand the Bible until they come to know Christ, but we must realize that many parts of the Bible are written specifically for the unbelieving world.

    He is the propitiation not just for our sins, but for the WHOLE WORLD. The Bible is quite clear that Jesus died for the world. His blood is applicable for those who are His.

    I certainly have no trouble with the Word of God. My beef is with your incorrect interpretation of it. The two just aren't the same thing.
     
  10. Jailminister

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    Scott you will probably argue with God when He "thrust" people in Hell&gt;

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    It is not my interpretation that you have the problem with, it is your misinterpretaion. You can't even understand what I post, much less the Bible. I don't like the baby killers, but I am not told to go out and kill them. I did not like Clinton's regime and lying and immorallity or his wife's trash mouth, but I did not leave the country, nor did Jesus. :rolleyes:


    Chapter and verse please.


    No, he did not die for the seed of Satan.

    So you say. You better hope you are right, because I know I am right. [​IMG]
     
  11. Taufgesinnter

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    1. Chapter and verse please.


    2. No, he did not die for the seed of Satan.

    3. So you say. You better hope you are right, because I know I am right. [​IMG] [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]1. There are too many to list! Everywhere that the gospel is presented or explained, it's for unbelievers. Believers don't need it because they already have it.

    2. Then He didn't die for you. Everyone is by nature a child of the devil until they are born again. It is thereby that they receive the power to become children of God--they are adopted by God as His children through the blood of Christ, but they are not His 'natural' children. Jesus Christ is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, as God's Word explicitly states.

    3. If the wink in the thumbs-up emoticon is heartfelt, then OK.
     
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    I am very "Thankful" that my husband and pastor do not share Jailminister's interpretation of the scriptures.
     
  13. Jailminister

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    Taugetsinter said
    Chapter and verse
    Chapter and verse
    Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

    Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

    Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

    Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

    Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

    Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth



    :D

    Thankful, I am thankful for the same thing
     
  14. Johnv

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    All humans are made in the "image and likeness" of God. All humans are made as "very good" creations. All humans are "crowned with glory and honor", and created "a little lower than the angels".

    No humans are the seed of Satan, because Satan has created no humans.
     
  15. Jailminister

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    Then Just rip Matthew 13:39 out of your bible. That will help your theology.

    [ September 22, 2003, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: Jailminister ]
     
  16. Johnv

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    Matt 13:9 reads, He who has ears, let him hear.

    Matt 13 talks about sowing and producing fruit. It says nothing about the point you're attempting (and failing) to make.
     
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