Women leading mixed Precept study??

My goodness Precept studies is written by a woman.
This woman teaches all the time.

This woman teaches to mixed groups of men and women all the time. What is the big deal??????

 

Agree. The only way to keep men from learning things from women is to:

1. Strictly separated the sexes and punish any unnecessary conversation between them.

2. Make sure women are abominably educated so that they fall far below the level of knowledge of men in general.

Perhaps we could follow the example of the less progressive Muslims in this.

Otherwise I'm afraid it's unavoidable.

 

No, I don't think prophesying is the same as teaching or preaching (which is usually exegeting/interpreting scripture for the assembly). I do not think the bible supports women doing this kind of teaching for men. As someone pointed out, the reason for this goes back to creation.

How can God tell us that the man has spiritual headship in the home but not in the church? I think teaching scripture in the church is one of the marks of that headship.

 

NOT trying to pick on you, Marcia. I realize you don't "preach" as far as directly exegeting Scripture. But you draw on Biblical principles in your conferences and presentations, don't you?
Do you ever have concern about men listening to you or reading the great articles you write on-line?
How, practically, is that OK but someone else going through prepackaged materials not?

And, by the way, keep going! You do a great job.

Karen

 

Hi, Karen -- Right, I don't preach. Using biblical principles or references is not exegeting scripture nor is it pastoring a flock. I have not been charged/ordained with being an authority figure in either pastoring or exegesis. I am lecturing on the New Age and the occult.

The point I was making is that women should not be preaching or pastoring.

 

If it's over a mixed group and is seen as a position of authority or leadership, then I don't think it's right. I think the issue here is authority and leadership, which I do not think is biblically a role allowed women in the church.

 

Wow! Kay Arthur teaching men via video?

 

I am not sure whether these questions are in naive sincerity or sly sarcasm. However, we are comparing apples and oranges. Women are not prohibited from witnessing, testifying, praying, singing or praising God publicly. However, they are not to do Biblical teaching or doctrinal preaching as exercise spiritual authority over men. Let's not trivialize the issue by extrapolating to the extremes of restricting women from every activity, even legitimate ones.

 

Are you for real? For her to have instructed you in doctrinal matters of the faith in church is one thing but what you learn from association with a godly, mature Christian is another. It’s hard for me to take your posts seriously since I have an abiding suspicion that you ridiculing my beliefs.

 

Overall, you are on target but I can't recommend to pastors theology texts or Bible commentaries by women.

 

It's simple. They just simply don't want to do it that way. They want to do it their own way. Like Frankie and Burger King, they want it their way. Hasn't that been the story of mankind since Eden?

 

Nonsense. You are confusing preaching with prophesying. The two are not necessarily the same and do not mean the same thing in every mention of Scripture depending upon the context. In context, prophesying can mean praising God, doctrinal preaching or foretelling future events. In I Corinthians 11:5, προφητευουσα is better understood as testifying or praising God than prophesying (foretelling) or doctrinal preaching. Also, Philip’s daughters did not preach to Paul; they praised God and testified in his presence. Your hermeneutics is flawed with eisegesis.

 

So what? Is God a respecter of persons to make exceptions for Mrs. Criswell. What are her particular qualifications to expound Scripture? I doubt that being married to W. A. necessarily qualified her in this area.

 

No, I don't think prophesying is the same as teaching or preaching (which is usually exegeting/interpreting scripture for the assembly). I do not think the bible supports women doing this kind of teaching for men. As someone pointed out, the reason for this goes back to creation.

How can God tell us that the man has spiritual headship in the home but not in the church? I think teaching scripture in the church is one of the marks of that headship. </font>[/QUOTE]Kudos! A very wise and preceptive observation by a very astute lady. (BTW, I find your web site interesting and helpful.)

 

Beka Horton of PCC taught a weekday class for many years that men attended. (Bite tongue here.)

 

It militates against Scriptural teaching. Isn't that a big deal or is cultural acceptance the norm?

 

If it's over a mixed group and is seen as a position of authority or leadership, then I don't think it's right. I think the issue here is authority and leadership, which I do not think is biblically a role allowed women in the church. </font>[/QUOTE]My position on this issue should be fairly plain from my posts. I think Marcia has it right--she seems to clearly understand the issues and boundaries. I am impressed with her ministry and I believe it meets the Biblical standards. It is a blessing to see a lady with a ministry that is true to the Biblical bounds. By her example, submission, obedience, good sense and Biblical understanding, Marcia has made a much better case for the role of a woman serving God than I could ever do with my Greek, theology and logical reasoning. Well done, Marcia!

 

Hi, Karen -- Right, I don't preach. Using biblical principles or references is not exegeting scripture nor is it pastoring a flock. I have not been charged/ordained with being an authority figure in either pastoring or exegesis. I am lecturing on the New Age and the occult.

The point I was making is that women should not be preaching or pastoring. </font>[/QUOTE]Very well said!