Women preacher's?

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  1. Revelator

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    What do you guys believe? :confused:
     
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    No problem here.

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    The bible forbids a woman to have authority over a man. A woman cannot hold the office of pastor or deacon. A woman may "preach" in the sense of being a witness to others, but she cannot "preach" in the sense of being authoritative from the pulpit.
     
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    AMEN I agree whole heartidly
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    Some of the best preachers I've ever heard have been women, most notably Barbara Brown Taylor, an Episcopal priest whose sermon collections are available in most Christian bookstores.

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    This is a question suited for Baptist Theology, not on the general pastoral thread. So I will close it here and move it to join others of similar discussion on women pastors!!
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rev. Joshua Villines:
    Some of the best preachers I've ever heard have been women, most notably Barbara Brown Taylor, an Episcopal priest whose sermon collections are available in most Christian bookstores.

    Joshua
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And I submit she is neither preacher, minister, nor Christian, judging by her own statements concerning what she believes.
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thomas Cassidy:
    And I submit she is neither preacher, minister, nor Christian, judging by her own statements concerning what she believes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Thomas, could you cite something she's said to support that rather bizarre statement?

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rev. Joshua Villines:Thomas, could you cite something she's said to support that rather bizarre statement?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Could you post what was strikingly unconventional and far-fetched in style or appearance in my statement?
     
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    Didn't we just do this subject?
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thomas Cassidy:
    Could you post what was strikingly unconventional and far-fetched in style or appearance in my statement?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Sure. You said that one of the most widely recognized preachers in America (regularly making Newsweek's "most effective preachers in the English-speaking world" list) is not a preacher.

    You said that a woman who was deeply beloved by her congregation for her devotion and pastoral care (which I have seen firsthand) is not a minister.

    You said that a woman whose preaching and writing has led untold numbers of people to Christ, who has devoted her life to Christian service, and whose piety is deep and profound is not a Christian.

    These are some pretty bizarre statements and I think they should require some justification.

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  13. Revelator

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    Hmmmm.....
    Guys women preachers no matter how politically correct are not biblical. I mean seriously, how many women disciples were there, how many women led Isreal, if God wanted Women to be preachers he would have said somthing.
    I am not sexist I believe a women can work just as well as a man can,but on the other hand I am positive they are not to preach. They can teach, sing, witness and minister(not preach)to children or adults, but they are not supposed to preach.
    To the question "Well why not?" I have this answer. Paul told Timothy that a preacher had to be the husband of one wife, not a partner of one mate or a wife of one husband, or it doesn't matter who preaches as long as it gets done. This is the Bible not a book by a pastor I am talkin about. Are we so far gone that we can't even read right. I don't believe that a woman should preach. I would like to know why a person that does believes that.
    I am curios and would just like some answers. Oh yeah and a good debate based on the principle of praying for the words to say.

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  14. Revelator

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    Last time I checked Newsweek was not a publication based on the spirit led guidance of Godly men. They wouldn't know Godly if it kissed them on the mouth.
     
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    Revelator,

    For the theological debate, see the "women pastors thread." Generally, it boils down to whether or not you think Paul's advice to those particular congregations was intended to be eternal guidance for all time.

    As for the Newsweek list, the purpose of the list isn't to judge the preacher's theology but rather their impact on the field and on the Christian community.

    If that isn't enough to convince you that she's a preacher, how about the fact that she did the Lyman Beecher lectures at Yale?

    Joshua
     
  16. Revelator

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    You wanna hear a preacher?
    How about Peter Ruckman, or somebody who will PREACH, I don't care who in this world says anything about a woman preacher, It ain't biblical.
    Bible says its not of works lest any man should boast. And as far as the christian community its not realy all that christian, (using the word christian in a sense of being christ-like). The fact that women preachers exist is a sad thing, have we really strayed that far? Everyday I hear things or see things that show how close we are to the end times.
    Even So LORD JESUS come quickly.
     
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    Isn't Peter Ruckman also a chronic divorcee, which would also make him ineligable for the ministry?
     
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    Mr Cassidy,

    Your previous post says that you submit (interesting choice of words) Barbara Brown Taylor is neither preacher, minister nor christian judging by her own statements concerning what she believes.

    Which statements would those be sir? Have you heard her preach? Have you read any of her writings? I would suggest you do so, if you haven't ecspecially prior to "submitting" that she is not a christian.

    In an earlier post you state a woman cannot hold the office of pastor or deacon.

    Do you not agree that the church at Cenchrea had deaconesses? Refer to Romans 16:1. Isnt it true that the Baptist Church in Gainesborough, England the congregation of John Smyth had women deacons almost 300 years ago?

    Also I imagine you have responded to Joshua privately but for those of us who are just lurking (till now) do you mind answering him publicly?

    Thank you and I look foward to your response.

    Russell
     
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    Women Preachers... No way... Brother Glen :eek:
     
  20. Revelator

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    Uhhhh...Joy Ruckman is married and he has like two kids or somthing and he has been married a long while. [​IMG]
     

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