Women starting churches?

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  1. Gina B

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    I know that many Baptists make exception to "women being allowed to teach" and some other duties if the woman is in a mission field.
    What would you say of a single woman starting a church in her home? Another part of mission work, or wrong? [​IMG]
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  2. Bible Believing Bill

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    Is she simply providing the meeting place or is she going to be the Pastor? If she is the "Pastor" I wouldn't agree with it. Then again I wouldn't agree that any ONE person should be starting a church. There dosn't need to be a large group to form a church, but you do need at least two or three gathered in HIS name.

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    I do not have a problem is a woman who starts a worship service in her home. Not as long as she has a God called man to minister to those who attend.

    Women have played a very positive roll in the church over the centuries. Who was it that straightened out Apollos? Who was it who trained Timothy in his childhood? In both accounts it was women who cared enough to serve God. Neither account shows the women usurping authority over men in a worship service.

    It is Christianity that freed women from the slavery type of relationship held in the old testament. It is Christianity that instructs a husband to love his wife as Christ loved the church. Ladies do not take offense that God does not allow a leadership role for women in the worship service. God knows what HE is doing and what is good for us.

    Changed like Saul,

    Elder Chris Folsom

    www.pbsermons.org

    p.s. This link is a good read for the ladies and men too for that matter. http://www.pb.org/pbdocs/wisewom.html

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    Obviously I have no problem with it, but I don't believe in making gender-based distinctions in church roles.

    My only concern is that I lean very heavily toward having seminary-trained clergy provide church leadership. As baptists, we can choose untrained leaders; but that doesn't mean I think we should.

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  5. Gina B

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    What if it was a few women without a church meeting together at first. Should the woman be responsible for the teaching until a male or someone's husband decides to join? Or should it not be done at all until a man is there to lead?
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    Gina,

    Depends upon what those women are doing. I don't believe a woman should take on the role of Pastor. That does not mean woman can't or shouldn't get together and study the Word of God. Can a woman lead this, of course she can, can she lead some singing, of course she can, can a woman have a positive impact upon any church service, of course she can.

    Should she become the undershepard of the flock, taking on all the duties and responsibilities that go along with it. No she should not.

    That being said I would not want to attend a church where the women were not visable and active members.

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  7. VoiceInTheWilderness

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    It takes a church to start a church.

    Simple answer... can't be done biblically.
     
  8. Baptist Believer

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    It takes a church to start a church.

    Simple answer... can't be done biblically.
    </font>[/QUOTE]What is the world are you talking about??? :eek:

    Believers can start a church anywhere by the authority of Jesus Christ!
     
  9. Justified

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    So, how much of the Bible should we cut up and throw away? :eek: :(

    "It is always better to stand up for conservatism, than to fall into liberalism" Justified Version ;)

    ”Conservatives- Theology dictates morality/Liberals- morality dictates Theology” Justified Version ;)
     
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    BB, I didn't see those passages you listed. Perhaps you could edit your post or post a new comment containing them.
     
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    BB, I didn't see those passages you listed. Perhaps you could edit your post or post a new comment containing them.</font>[/QUOTE]1.) I’m not sure what the original poster was claiming, so I asked a question to get clarification.

    2.) I posted a simple statement that is in line with mainstream historical Baptist beliefs that reject successionism; that is, the belief that the ordinances of the church – authority for baptism and communion/Lord’s Supper – are passed through an ordained clergy from church to church from age to age. Early Baptists struggled with the issue because there was no unbroken line of persons who “baptized” by immersion to give them biblical baptism. Most eventually baptized themselves on the basis of the authority of Christ revealed through scripture. (Yes, I am very much aware of J.R. Graves and the “Trail of Blood” Landmarkism, but I don’t believe that many of those groups cited were remotely “Baptistic” in their theology.) Baptists also don’t need the “restoration” of the ordinances like the Mormons claim to provide.

    - Christ has called us to make disciples wherever we go (see Matthew 28:19-20).

    - All believers are priests and have full access to God and can speak his truth with the authority of Jesus Christ (numerous references in the New Testament – if you really need help with this, I can supply references)

    - Churches are a natural result of believers moving into an area not adequately being served by persons of like faith and order. It is certainly better when churches can help begin a new work by supplying a core group of believers to found a church, but not necessary. Missionaries have historically gone into pagan lands and started churches with little or no human help or support.
     
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    Baptist Believer-

    It appears as though you are precisely aware of what I was claiming.

    It also appears that you were very eager to disagree.

    You also did not answer the question that was asked to you by Preach The Word.

    I too would be very interested to hear what scriptures you would like to use to support someone baptizing themself?
     
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    Hi Chrysoprasus. Why not call it a "fellowship" instead of calling it a church? In reality, that is really what it is anyway.

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    It is easy to see where Christ leveled the field of who can be “servants” to the flock and the Lord. Those who can minister to remove sin from man (washing feet) through the teaching the Gospel, are both men and women.

    It is the Pharisee who questioned what Christ allows a woman to do that would go against tradition/scripture.

    John 13:14Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet. 15I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. 16I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.

    Luke 7:38and as she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.
    39When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, "If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is--that she is a sinner."

    [ August 31, 2002, 06:42 PM: Message edited by: post-it ]
     
  15. VoiceInTheWilderness

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    So let me see if I've got this straight.... Jesus let a woman who was a reknown sinner come to him in the presence of Simon and the Pharisees, so that He could forgive her sin and therefore teach Simon and his gang a lesson or two, and somehow this is supposed to support the question of a woman starting a church?

    How to you go from having your sins forgiven to starting a church?

    Somehow I fail to make that connection. :confused:

    [ August 31, 2002, 07:47 PM: Message edited by: A voice crying in the wilderness ]
     
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    This is a spiritual message Christ establishes, washing feet has no sin forgiving attributes. Look again. Hint: What is happening in the washing of feet? What is position of servant and master all about here? Why was this a woman and a woman with sin which the verse makes clear. There were two separate wrongs the Pharisee saw. What was the difference between "taking a bath" and "washing feet"?

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    That's what I want you to tell me, what you think the passage means.

    I know what the interpretation of Luke 7 is, I'm trying to find out how you interpret it and then go so far as to apply it to women being able to start a church.

    I can think of other passages that would do your position more justice, although it still wouldn't validate it.

    I agree that women are very much needed and valuable in the service of our Lord, and yes they do serve Him, but they are not to hold positions of spiritual leadership, especially over men.
    ( 1 Tim. 3:2 ) ( 1 Tim. 2:11-15 )

    As far as starting a church, only another church has the authority to do that. I would question anyone who sought to start a church otherwise.
     
  18. HankD

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    Under the Law , when men were unwilling or unworthy God raised up a "prophetess".

    Judges 4-5 Deborah.
    2 Chronicles 34 Huldah.

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    The actual washing of the feet is the “information” (the good news “Gospel”) of forgiveness of sin and the acceptance of the resurrection and understanding of what Jesus did for man.

    When the individual “washed the feet” (shared the Gospel), it means to teach “preach”, to others about the resurrection and understanding of Jesus (the Gospel).

    When Jesus died on the cross, he washed all man’s body, meaning he provided the way to allow them to be clean once they accepted the Gospel. He then washed his disciple’s feet, meaning he has forgiven them of their sin and they have accepted his gift to mankind. They then needed to “spread” the news to everyone else. They were also to forgive each other as sins between them will occur and continue to teach each other of the things of the spirit as it is shown to them.

    Now back to the woman that washed Jesus’ feet. He “allowed” her to wash his feet, which can mean that she as a woman and a sinner can be forgiven of sin and may “teach” (the act of washing, “teaching”) others. She was a servant of Jesus just as the disciples were servants of Jesus, just as Jesus was a servant of God. All equal (none greater) in the sight of God for washing (spreading and teaching the good news.)

    I admit there could be an argument made that the Pharisee should have been the one to wash Jesus’ feet and didn’t (Jesus pointed that out) which could mean that if a man is available he should be the one that teaches and preach. Still, Jesus did not demand that a man only, wash his feet. Nor did he look around for a man first when the woman volunteered to wash his feet.

    Therefore, a woman can preach the Gospel.

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  20. Justified

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    YES! Women can preach! AMEN! [​IMG]

    But, not to me and my family! :eek:

    Or any church that we would go to! :D

    [​IMG]
     

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