women teachers

Let's give the Sunday School Teacher an atta girl.



And an atta boy for her pastor.



...Bob

 

Meet Henrietta Mears:

"Perhaps the single most influential church leader in the first half of this century was Henrietta Mears. While she is unknown by most, Henrietta Mears, the Director of Christian Education at Hollywood Presbyterian Church in Hollywood, California, taught a Sunday School class of up to 500 college-age students. Many of them did great things for God and became great leaders in their own rank. Also, Henrietta Mears helped establish Forest Home, a Christian conference center. She influenced some of the greatest Christian leaders and movements of our day, including Bill Bright who founded Campus Crusade for Christ; the late Dawson Trotman who began the Navigators; and even Billy Graham who was influenced for God at Forest Home just prior to the Los Angeles Crusade which gave birth to his high-profile, international ministry as an evangelist." –Elmer Towns, The Eight Laws of Leadership

Miss Mears's early ministry was at First Baptist of Minneapolis (pastored by noted Fundamentalist William Bell Riley:thumbs.

 

How condescending of you, you should be ashamed.

Let me ask you, are women at the church you attend allowed to speak at all?

 

Thanks to more research from Jerome.

Teacher: The Henrietta Mears Story





...Bob

 

We're very quick to point out women pastors only because it's right in front of our eyes and so obvious. What about the pastors getting arrested for solicitation of prostitutes and other vices they get caught up in?

 

Sure. They're just not allowed to teach men in the church.

 

Whoa?!? You're getting a bit heated there, man. Maybe sit a couple of plays out.

Nobody is mocking you for adhering to the Bible. Sometimes sarcasm is a helpful tool in highlighting problematic interpretation or theology.

 

Oh no, not the "you're angry" card, and that coupled with the "sarcasm" excuse!!!

Sorry friend, calling someone condescending, to whom you have had little to no interaction, and then claiming sarcasm, is baloney.

You had no clue what I referred to nor why I said it, so you reacted. You should know what you are talking about and why I said what I said prior to coming around with the cheap shots. It's much more wise that way.

Nobody is mocking me for adhering to the Bible? Like I said, know what you are talking about next time. You're plain and simply incorrect.

- Blessings

 

Doesn't the same bible say:

1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

 

Yep. Which is precisely why we don't let them preach or teach men.

 

If they are allowed to speak at all, anywhere at church, they are in violation of the literal meaning of this scripture.

 

Not a cartoon;
Not a come-on to another round in the Sunday School Teach gender wrestling match;
But a link to a book for those interested in varied interpretations on 1 Timothy 2.

What's with Paul and Women?: Unlocking the Cultural Background to 1 Timothy 2.​

If you are interested in this topic and go to the link, I suggest you also read the customer reviews and the 14 pages of related books purchased by Amazon.com customers.

...Bob

 

So according to this understanding of the assembly coming together... women can't sing, say amen, vote by saying Aye (though if they raised their hand quietly that would be ok), say hello to people during the welcome (if you have one) etc, etc, or they would be violating the "keep silent" command of Paul.

Perhaps there is another understanding, just saying

 

That is my point to Jack. If we are going to take this scripture literally, then women cannot even utter a syllable in the assembly. I don't believe this.

Women are allowed to speak, but not to usurp the authority in the assembly. Therefore, if a woman teaches under the authority of the assembly, or pastor, elders or whoever is the under-shepherd, she is not disobeying the Word of God. This would still disallow pastoring, since the qualifications are the husband of one wife.

 

But Bob, doesn't it seem like a stretch to take this 1st century detail, which doesn't speak directly to the issue of gender, to mean it can't be women. It would seem more likely that Paul wrote "husband of one wife" because it seemed obvious at the time that they would be men, since women weren't allowed to do much in that context. If Paul had said "must be a man, not a woman" it would be a different interpretive story.

Plus, the whole issue of church leadership seems to be on more of an ad hoc basis, allowing fluidity for the particular context.

 

Yeah, I suppose we could take a verse out of context, interpret it hyper-literally, without regard to context, ignore the analogy of scripture, and come to that conclusion.

 

We try to keep our women tied up in the back room as much as we can.