Women's Hair

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  1. TWade

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    In my past associations within certain IFB circles, men have stood in the pulpit condemning men who wore long hair. Some believe a man's hair was considered long if it touched your collar or touched your ears.

    These same men stood in the pulpit and condemned women for wearing pants. They insist that pants are strictly for men.

    While attending the Sword of the Lord Conference in July of 2000, I witnessed a certain preacher stand before a massive congregation and condemn preachers who preach against men with long hair, while they keep quiet about women "cutting their hair like a man." He went even further and picked out a woman in the congregation who apparently disagreed, going even so far as climbing up onto the podium to the cheer and applause of the majority of the audience. He actually called the woman a "hussy." I don't know if the lady's husband was present and I wondered if this preacher would be witnessing to the Tooth Fairy later that night.

    Back at home, the pastor of the IFB church where I had joined myself for a few years preached more than once about men with long hair, saying, "it is the most sissy-fied (?) thing" he has ever seen. Yet his wife wore her hair short. (sidenote: he also insisted on women members wearing dresses, yet his own wife wore pants outside of the building)

    The Bible says that nature itself teaches that it is a shame for men to have long hair, but for a woman, it is a glory to her.

    Now I wonder... Does Larry Brown have a legitimate argument? Is he correct in his assessment that we fall short (no pun intended) when it comes to women's hair?

    I would like to hear from both sides, and with solid arguments (not like Larry Brown's "what's short? The opposite of long, you dummy." :rolleyes: )

    Does a woman's hair length matter?
     
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    No where do the bible say how long it too long for men or how short is to short for women. When people state a certain length is proper they are adding to sripture what scripture does not say, in other words, they are putting words in God's mouth. All because they want to enforce their own opinion , even above the opinion of God(from scripture).
     
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    I have also set up a poll for this topic.
     
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    I posted there also.
     
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    The Bible doesn't define what constitutes "long" hair or "short" hair. The Beatles, in their time, were considered to have long hair. Yet the Biblical Fab Four say nothing about the hair length of the Musical Fab Four.


    Obviously, a mark of bad preaching skills.

    I dunno, Worf (as well as most male Klingons) had long hair, and he ain't a sissy. Jackie Chan, in "Shanghai Noon" had long hair, and wun't no sissy. Paul Revere had long hair. Samson in the OT had long hair, and we wun't no sissy. The statue of Jesus certainly isn't depicting a sissy.

    Num.6:5 - No razor shall come upon his [a Nazarite's] head. He shall be holy, and shall let the locks of the hair on his head grow.
    Jg.13:5 - For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son [Samson]; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazarite.
    1 Sam.1:11 - I will give him [Samuel] unto the Lord all the days of his life, and there shall no razor come upon his head.

    These verses seem to be praising long hair. While two praise the air of a Nazarite, one simply praises hair length.
     
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    That reminds me of my senior year of highschool when I decided to shave the left side of my head. I shaved about two inches above my ear and about three inches back. My IFB youth pastor proceeded to tell everyone in youth group that girls who shave the side of their heads were sexually loose and immoral. (Not true I never even went out with any guys)

    There was another girl in youth group who had beautiful long hair and she was presented as the Christian role model for everyone to follow. It's too bad that she really wasn't.

    In I Cor. 11:13-16 Paul is presenting an arguement for conformity to the common church practice. Versus 14-15 contain a final appeal to the sense of propriety that the contemporary Greek society would consider "natural"

    [ March 29, 2004, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: Gina L ]
     
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    TWade,
    I wonder if that preacher read the rest of the scripture about men and womens hair?

    1 Cor 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
    14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
    15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
    16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.


    It seems to me that Paul is saying that they (Paul and the ones preaching the gospel?) or the churches of God have no customs about how long or short to wear your hair. It was in the ordanaces no longer under the law.
     
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    That reminds me of my senior year of highschool when I decided to shave the left side of my head. I shaved about two inches above my ear and about three inches back. My IFB youth pastor proceeded to tell everyone in youth group that girls who shave the side of their heads were sexually loose and immoral. (Not true I never even went out with any guys)

    There was another girl in youth group who had beautiful long hair and she was presented as the Christian role model for everyone to follow. It's too bad that she really was the church ho.

    In I Cor. 11:13-16 Paul is presenting an arguement for conformity to the common church practice. Versus 14-15 contain a final appeal to the sense of propriety that the contemporary Greek society would consider "natural"
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    sword of the Lord preachers scare me now. I wont go see another one.
     
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    though, I do wear my hair long as to have a covering.

    this one has always puzzled me too..

    another thing that has always puzzled me about the ifb church that I visit sometimes, is that they are very very very against tattoos.. but, vasectamies are a perfectly allowable and good thing..

    marking your body is marking your body to me.
     
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    It seems they are more concerned with outward appearances than the word of God. What difference does the length of someone's hair make? Should a man not have everlasting life because his hair touched his collar? Should a woman not have everlasting life because her hair didn't?

    And calling someone a "hussy" is an ugly, horrible thing. Why would you want to hear someone preach who would be that cruel?

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  12. Emily

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    Kim

    from my awful experience last night, Sword of the Lord preachers "major on the minors" and teach hate to the people, even if the people dont realize it... to them its just "the truth" and "the truth" offends so there must be nothing wrong with what the are saying.
     
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    Did you read the third post on this thread?

    I started this thread first, then thought an actual poll would be interesting, so I posted a poll in that forum.

    That seems to be the popular opinion.
     
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    Popular opinion seems to be to add to scripture what is not there. No where does it give the length a persons hair should be. Therefore any condemnation over hair length is unbiblical.
     
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    You said this in the other thread, but ignored my request for you to show me where I'm "reading into" or "adding" to scripture something that's not there.

    I am merely pointing out what IS there and what Paul said is black-and-white, unmistakable truth, but you and others don't want to accept it:

    1 Cor 11:14-15 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

    You and others choose rather to skirt the issue with a "scripture doesn't say anything about length, etc." while ignoring the plain and simple truth of the text -- Women are to have long hair and men are to have short hair.

    The Poll is a sad testimony, even if you use the "scripture doesn't mention length" argument. Paul said says it's shameful, while the majority of those who voted believe it's up for them to decide.

    I think we can figure out the difference between long and short. Well... maybe some can.
     
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    Maybe it's just a taboo on cross-dressing.

    Samson had long hair, but I don't think anyone would have mistaken him for a girl.

    By the same token, the pants most women wear are obviously not men's clothing in style. And even if they are, would you mistake these women for men? I don't think so.
     
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    THis particular passage does not seem to have anything to do with sexual sin or cross dressing or anything. Its about prayer..

    Its shameful for a woman to pray with her head unconvered, so her long hair is given to her as a covering.. It is shameful for a man to have long hair, because he shouldnt need a hair covering. The woman isnt over him..

    It is my understanding that Nazarites did not ever cut their hair to be ashamed for Christ..They also couldnt get near a dead body, even accidently, and they couldnt drink strong drink. I could be wrong, but wasnt the vow of the Nazarite to be separate and holy from all the rest of the people?
     
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    "(It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair,...)" John11:2

    Many years I'd ask my pastors about the length of hair & most shrugged it off, or said "oh, that was for back then"...Same thing with the dresses-only issue. :rolleyes:

    But I knew better because of the Scriptures. They tell all one needs to know about anything & everything. [​IMG]
     
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    No, sorry. I accept scripture. But not when you start telling the exact length hair should or should not be. As this is not in scripture. To try and give a length is adding to scripture.

    But whose opinion of how long as again, this verse does not tell us. I keep asking you where in scripture it tells us how long and you have as of yet failed to point out any verse that gives instruction on this.
    When scripture just plain does not say it then it does not say it. I accept scripture as it is.
    Again, one last time, please give verses as to instructions on the length a persons hair should be. You have not yet done that although I have asked. How long is long and how short is short according to instructions in scripture?? Please prove your position with scripture.
     

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