Women's Lib And The Costa Concordia Liner

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/chivalry_sinks_under_equalitys_murky_waters.html


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    The men who behaved badly on the Costa Concordia were cowards, no doubt about it, but they are also products of an age that downplays such erstwhile virtues as chivalry and protectiveness of women. We instinctively recoil from the way they behaved, but there are mitigating factors (I recoil as I write this, but it is true)....

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    As I've been pecking out these paragraphs, it occurs to me that one day it might be considered quaint that once upon a time, long ago, back when the Costa Concordia sank, anybody so much as raised an eyebrow because men had shoved women aside to claim seats in a lifeboat. After all, if men and women are not essentially different from each other, and women are not to be protected, why the hell not get into the lifeboat?
    Long ago, feminists launched an attack on the concept of manliness, and you can see the fruits of their campaign in the Costa Concordia. Harvard professor Harvey Mansfield, author of Manliness, has said that the "the entire project of modernity can be understood as a project to keep manliness unemployed."...

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    If manliness, a necessary precursor of the virtue of chivalry, is obsolete, why would a crew member risk his life to uphold it? My friend and colleague Carrie Lukas once observed that "gentlemanly conduct isn't about the women at all. It's about the men and their sense of themselves." Today men are discouraged from feeling that there is any intrinsic value in being and acting like a man. If there is no pride, no sense of particular duty to a high cause, why, then, would they possibly surrender a seat on a lifeboat?
    Whenever I am on the bus or subway, and I see a man sitting while women stand, I think, "Well, I know what kind of mother he had." But of course, today, the odds are good that he had a mother who taught him that there is no difference between men and women. Women are just as strong, they are told, and in no need of any particular extra consideration or physical protection. Why give your seat on the bus, much less on the lifeboat, to somebody who has no more claim on it than you do?...[/b/
     
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    Great. And by a woman, too. Thanx, Pamela.
     
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    "The statistics are stunning: eighty percent of the men aboard the Titanic perished, while seventy-four percent of the women survived."

    Incredible, back in the day when men were men.
     
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    See my signature line for my opinion about it.
     
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    I know that I'm the oddball here, but I think that while common decency and common courteousy should rule the day, that chivalry should be long since dead. Chivalry is not being gentlemanly nor kind nor courteous to women. Those are all good things. It's defending women because one believes they cannot help themselves. And that's not always a good idea nor should that the the mindset of humanity.

    If on a hypothetical sinking ship every woman and child gets to safety and every man drowns, then every child leaves that boat and loses a dad. And every family is torn apart.

    As a 50-year-old single woman who has enjoyed my life, I would NEVER get in a life boat ahead of a father of young or teenage children and sit in the boat and listen to them screaming for their dad. And I would NEVER leave my husband - well, only if I had small children and he blatantly refused to leave. But I would be angry at him for a long time. But if we had no children, I wouldn't leave him. It wouldn't be worth it to me to live without him.

    There's life ...... and then there's life.

    It should be families of young and teenaged children first, then families of older children. Then older married couples and single people last. That way, families stay intact.

    I take exception to the notion that the poor behavior of some of these men is the fault of women.
     
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    That is not what chivalry is nor has been about. And it is the epitome of being a gentleman.
     
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    I can see your point, but I don't think that is what the article is saying. I wouldn't blame MOST of the women I know because they think women's lib is ridiculous.

    I don't think it can be argued that the women's lib movement has sissified our culture.
     
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    I guess it's just a matter of semantics. I call a man who is a gentlemen and manly and respectul - I just call that common decency and common courteousy and being a man with a backbone.

    If you want to call it chivalry, that's fine. I just look at the history of the word and see it differently.

    :flower:
     
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    I open doors for my wife. She has the ability to do that herself. But I do it to honor her. I do lots of things for my wife she can do herself because I love her and she deserves honor from me. My wife is not helpless and her IQ is 8 points higher than mine. But is she is my support and often does far more than anyone knows behind the scenes. She deserves my respect and honor and I will see to it she gets it. My children are to see this and expect that is as it should be. My boys are taught to honor her much in the same way. And my daughter is taught that men should do these things. Hopefully when they are grown and looking for a spouse these qualities and principles will come into play.
     
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    Honoring someone is a good thing. I hardly ever step through door where there is not a man holding it open for me and I always look them in the eye and say thank you.

    Again, to me, it's semantics. I call what you are describing common courteousy, respect, love, and honor.

    My context was just the sinking ship hypothetical and other such situations. Why do all of the women and children have to be saved at the expense of some of the men? Why not families first? I say preserve the family unit.
     
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    Men should suffer the ills of such circumstances over the others because we were made stronger physically. Men should sacrifice themselves for their wives as Christ sacrificed Himself for the church. A clear command of God. I will dies for my family and any man who will not is a shame.
     
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    Amen, mandym. Thank you for standing up like a man. And I am thankful my husband would do the same. He would never expect or allow a woman to die in his place just because he is a husband or father.
     
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    Perfect example of sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind!
    Humanity will never learn.
     
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    #15 Scarlett O., Jan 20, 2012
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    Old saying, "Christians talk about going to Heaven and being with Jesus but fight like hell to avoid doing it."
     

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