wooing of the Holy Spirit is it biblical?

Calvinists take these words to mean that Jesus knew who was elect and who was non-elect, but that is not the context. He is simply explaining that Jesus knew who the Father had given him to be his apostles and who was going to remain hardened. In the next verse Jesus even looks at the twelve and says, "Have I not chosen you the twelve."

Calvinists make the mistake of applying a passage that is meant to be understood within its context to a universal soteriology.

the context shows that the Lord draws and has an elect that will be saved. for you to say this only pertained to the jews of that time would be like saying that all scripture is only for the time it was written in.

 

Do you believe that when Jesus told the apostles that they would perform greater miracles than even He himself did that it would pertain to everyone who followed Jesus? Of course not.

A key principle of hermenutics is to understand the context, which means you must know the audience and the circumstances they are in. Otherwise, you make the mistake of applying passages such as John 6 to a doctrine for the nature of all men. All men aren't like the Jews of the first century during the time of Christ. The Jews of that time were being HARDENED, just like pharoah, as Paul clearly explains in Romans 9.

Do a word study on "hardening" and you will see what I mean. </font>[/QUOTE]first let us get back to your original contention and it seems you do not believe that God draws his elect as the example of scripture says in john 6 is that correct?

it does seem that the jews still seem to have the hardening effect even today, yes i do believe that.

and yes scripture does support that God draws people to Himself and He saves them. and i thank God that he intervenes with undeserving sinners so they can understand the gospel and believe.

in order for you to understand scripture you must believe that Christ saves wholly and a person is saved and kept by God not by mans obedience or human merit, if i am debating with you and you do not believe in eternal security then plainly i must tell you that i believe i am debating an unbeliever.

 

Do you believe that when Jesus told the apostles that they would perform greater miracles than even He himself did that it would pertain to everyone who followed Jesus? Of course not.

A key principle of hermenutics is to understand the context, which means you must know the audience and the circumstances they are in. Otherwise, you make the mistake of applying passages such as John 6 to a doctrine for the nature of all men. All men aren't like the Jews of the first century during the time of Christ. The Jews of that time were being HARDENED, just like pharoah, as Paul clearly explains in Romans 9.

Do a word study on "hardening" and you will see what I mean. </font>[/QUOTE]also it is interesting that you bring up rom 9
i reread it and you must of over looked what Gods purpose is.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they [are] not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Rom 9:9 For this [is] the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

Rom 9:10 And not only [this]; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, [even] by our father Isaac;

Rom 9:11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth