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Word greater than Name?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Ed Edwards, Dec 11, 2007.

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  1. Ed Edwards

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    This scripture is often used to say that
    God's Written Word is above His Name:

    Psalm 138:2D (KJV1611 Edition):
    ... for thou hast magnified thy word aboue all thy name.

    Other versions have another story:

    Psalm 38:2 (TNIV: Today's New International
    Version /Zondervan, 2006):

    I will bow down toward your holy temple
    and will praise your name for
    your unfailing love and your faithfulness,
    for you have so exalted
    your solemn decree that it surpasses your fame

    Here it was the 'solemn decree' that
    surpasses not Hashem but 'your fame'.
    But that is a 'Modern Version (MV)'
    condemned in some places and damned
    in other places.

    Here is a scripture source older than the KJVs:

    Psalm 138:2 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):

    I will worship toward thine holy Temple
    and praise thy Name, because
    of thy louing kindenesse and for thy trueth:
    for thou hast magnified
    thy Name aboue all things     by thy word.

    This says clear that Hashem has been
    magnified above all things by the
    Written Word of God.

    QED: Two or three different valid scriptures
    are better than only one scripture to help the Holy Spirit
    teach us the Bible truths.
     
    #1 Ed Edwards, Dec 11, 2007
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    The AV's reading is a simple, literal translation

    but what does it mean within the text?

    That's not so simple!

    Rob
     
    #2 Deacon, Dec 13, 2007
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    Two English tranlsations of Psalm 138:2 from the Septuagint--

    I shall do obeisance towards your holy temple,
    and I shall make acknowledgement to your name
    concerning your mercy and your truth;
    for you magnified
    your holy name above all.

    (from The Apostolic Bible)


    I will worship toward thy holy temple,
    and give thanks to thy name,
    on account of thy mercy and thy truth;
    for thou hast magnified
    thy holy name above every thing.

    (Brenton, 1851)​
     
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    I believe that reality shows God has magnified His word ALONG WITH His name.
     
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    The Bishop's translation agrees --
    I wyll make my lowe obeysaunce towarde thy holy temple: and I wyll prayse thy holy name in respect of thy louing kindnesse and trueth. For thou hast magnified thy name: and thy worde aboue all thinges. (Psa 138:2)​
     
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    And so does the Geneva Bible. To-wit: I will worship toward thine holy Temple and praise thy Name, because of thy louing kindenesse and for thy trueth: for thou hast magnified thy Name aboue all things by thy word.
     
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    Here's the NLTse on the passage : I bow before your holy Temple as I worship . I praise your name for your unfailing love and faithfulness ; for your promises are backed by all the honor of your name .

    Speaking of magnifying His Name ... I saw this on the Wycliffe New Testament ( edited by Terrance P. Noble ) . It is "modernized" ( ? ) somewhat . The snips are from John 17 .

    V. 1c ... the hour cometh , clarify thy Son , that thy Son clarify thee .

    v. 4a I have clarified thee on the earth ,

    V. 5 And now , Father , clarify thou me at thyself , with the clearness that I had at thee , before the world was made .

    v. 22 And I have given to them the clearness , that thou hast given to me , that they be one , as we be one ;

    v. 24 Father , they which thou hast given to me , I will that where I am , that they be with me , that they see my clearness , that thou hast given to me [ Father , I will that and they whom thou hast given to me , be with me where I am , that they see my clearness , which thou hast given to me ] ; for thou lovedest me before the making of the world .
     
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  8. Ed Edwards

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    [ Ed shops for a version that presents the wording
    that fits his Eschatology & Seriology. ]
    :tonofbricks:
     
    #8 Ed Edwards, Dec 21, 2007
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