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Wordly music or Christian Lyrics?

Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by securityofficer2008, Apr 14, 2009.

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What kind of music honors God in a Church service?

  1. Christian Rock

    12 vote(s)
    63.2%

  2. Christian Rap

    12 vote(s)
    63.2%

  3. Hymns

    19 vote(s)
    100.0%

  4. Southern Gospel

    14 vote(s)
    73.7%

  5. No music...just give me preaching

    3 vote(s)
    15.8%
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  1. webdog

    webdog Active Member
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    You are all over the board! Something can be "too man centered" in one church and be worship...just not in yours? Show a little consistancy, man! Whether you like it or not, something "man centered" IS worldly...not just in your church, but in EVERY church in the world.
     
    #101 webdog, Apr 16, 2009
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    I think the silence to this post from security officer and johndeerefan speaks volumes.
    "He shoots...he scores!"
     
    #102 webdog, Apr 16, 2009
  3. tinytim

    tinytim <img src =/tim2.jpg>

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    Well. you ask how I know...

    I sing CCM... Just sang a few Casting Crowns songs the other day.
    Our choir sings them...

    I sing them.. I AM GOING TO BE IN HEAVEN.

    You claim CCM is evil.. but you provide no proof...
    Tell me.. How is this evil?

    He became sin
    Who knew no sin
    That we might become His Righteousness
    He humbled himself and carried the cross

    Love so amazing
    Love so amazing

    Chorus:
    Jesus Messiah
    Name above all names
    Blessed Redeemer
    Emmanuel
    The rescue for sinners
    The ransom from Heaven
    Jesus Messiah
    Lord of all

    His body the bread
    His blood the wine
    Broken and poured out all for love
    The whole earth trembled
    And the veil was torn

    Love so amazing
    Love so amazing, yeah

    Chorus:
    Jesus Messiah
    Name above all names
    Blessed Redeemer
    Emmanuel
    The rescue for sinners
    The ransom from Heaven
    Jesus Messiah
    Lord of all

    All our hope is in You
    All our hope is in You
    All the glory to You, God
    The light of the world

    Chorus:
    Jesus Messiah
    Name above all names
    Blessed Redeemer
    Emmanuel
    The rescue for sinners
    The ransom from Heaven
    Jesus Messiah
    Lord of all

    To hear the song, click here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4EkllZ8gEI

    If you can say that is evil, then you have no idea what evil is.

    OH.. and you DID question my salvation.. you told me to quit calling myself a child of God (Christian)....

    YOU don't have that right! For I will sing CCM before the throne of God.. AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME.. no matter how much you protest!
     
    #103 tinytim, Apr 16, 2009
  4. tinytim

    tinytim <img src =/tim2.jpg>

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    From one of David's song books:
    Sorry you probably won't like it when David breaks out in Dance in Heaven.. but guess what.. .GOD will..

    Psalms 150:1-6
    (1) Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.
    (2) Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.
    (3) Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
    (4) Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.
    (5) Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.
    (6) Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.
     
    #104 tinytim, Apr 16, 2009
  5. Amy.G

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    HERETIC!

    How dare you listen to music that claims Jesus Christ is the blessed redeemer whose name is above all names!


    WHAT are you thinking???????


    (Sarcasm over)
     
    #105 Amy.G, Apr 16, 2009
  6. tinytim

    tinytim <img src =/tim2.jpg>

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    I Can Only Imagine lyrics

    I can only imagine
    What it will be like
    When I walk
    By your side

    I can only imagine
    What my eyes will see
    When your face
    Is before me
    I can only imagine

    I can only imagine

    [Chorus:]
    Surrounded by Your glory, what will my heart feel
    Will I dance for you Jesus or in awe of you be still
    Will I stand in your presence or to my knees will I fall
    Will I sing hallelujah, will I be able to speak at all
    I can only imagine

    I can only imagine

    I can only imagine
    When that day comes
    And I find myself
    Standing in the Son

    I can only imagine
    When all I will do
    Is forever
    Forever worship You
    I can only imagine

    I can only imagine

    [Chorus]

    I can only imagine [x2]

    I can only imagine
    When all I will do
    Is forever, forever worship you

    I can only imagine
    http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/mercyme-lyrics/i-can-only-imagine-lyrics.html


    I may not be able to dance down here.. but one day!!! MOVE OVER ST. PETER!.. .tiny's coming through!
     
    #106 tinytim, Apr 16, 2009
  7. tinytim

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    It's crowded in worship today
    As she slips in
    Trying to fade into the faces
    The girls' teasing laughter is carrying farther than they know
    Farther than they know



    CHORUS
    But if we are the Body
    Why aren't His arms reaching
    Why aren't His hands healing
    Why aren't His words teaching
    And if we are the Body
    Why aren't His feet going
    Why is His love not showing them there is a way
    There is a way

    A traveler is far away from home
    He sheds his coat
    And quietly sinks into the back row
    The weight of their judgmental glances tells him that his chances
    Are better out on the road

    CHORUS
    But if we are the Body
    Why aren't His arms reaching
    Why aren't His hands healing
    Why aren't His words teaching
    And if we are the Body
    Why aren't His feet going
    Why is His love not showing them there is a way

    Jesus paid much too high a price
    For us to pick and choose who should come
    And we are the Body of Christ

    Chorus (2x)
    If we are the body
    Why aren't His arms reaching
    Why aren't His hands healing
    Why aren't His words teaching
    And if we are the body
    Why aren't His feet going
    Why is His love not showing them there is a way

    Jesus is the way

    http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/If-We-Are-The-Body-lyrics-Casting-Crowns/617D1B30E33F493848256E9C000DB757
    Why aren't His arms reaching
    Why aren't His hands healing
    Why aren't His words teaching
    Because we have Christians that would rather complain about other Christians singing to God than actually do something to reach the lost!​
     
    #107 tinytim, Apr 16, 2009
  8. Amy.G

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    Sorry Tim. There's too many "I's" in that song. It's man centered. :BangHead:
     
    #108 Amy.G, Apr 16, 2009
  9. rbell

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    OK, fish in a barrel time...

    Your "rhythm, harmony, melody" thing is from Bill Gothard and/or Frank Garlock (depending on your thread of sources). However, the genesis of this line of thought is Pythagoras, a pagan Greek philosopher and mathematician. Call me traditional, but I'd rather use Scripture as my basis...

    And we're back to the beginning: You've made the a priori assumption that music that sounds a certain way to you is "worldly." You've ignored...
    • That your assumption is purely based on personal preference.
    • That your preferences may one day be used against your music.
    • That in centuries past, "worldliness" has been used to deride what we now consider "traditional" (i.e., were you aware that polyphonic (multi-part) singing was considered "vulgar" at one time?)
    • You still haven't given a Scriptural basis for the problem with modern music.
    • You have terms that are defined individually: what you call "CCM," I might call "hymnic," and vice-versa. What makes a song "CCM?" Total subjectivity.
    That's just the beginning. Now...you may choose to ignore what I've asked. You may choose to call me names, refer to me as "liberal," or question my salvation. Fine. Do it to me, instead of other folks on the board.

    But realize...many of us have come to our conclusions after prayer, searching the Scriptures, and asking God to guide us. If you want to belittle me...realize that I have not made uninformed deicisions, and your problem ultimately isn't with me.

    I do not ask you to agree with my tastes. But I do ask that you not belittle the work of God in my life and ministry with your baseless claims.

    (it might surprise you to know our songs the youth sang last night...)
    • "More Than Life" (newer song)
    • "Hosanna in the Highest (newer song, but straight-up Scripture)
    • "I Stand Amazed in the Presence" (hymn, 19th-century)
    • How Great is Our God/How Great Thou Art (21st-century chorus/20th-century hymn).
    Problems? Then your beef isn't with me.

    Also, the "rhythm killing mice and making plants die" is an urban legend. The other one, just to save your typing time, is the missionary who came back from Africa and claimed the drums were similar to those who incanted demons from the Congo.
     
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  10. tinytim

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    OH.. .NO>.. NOT another example of Devil's music!!!

    Lord of all creation
    of water earth and sky
    The heavens are your Tabernacle
    Glory to the Lord on high

    Chorus:
    God of wonders beyond our galaxy
    You are Holy, Holy
    The universe declares your Majesty
    And you are holy holy

    Lord of Heaven and Earth
    Lord of Heaven and Earth

    Early in the morning
    I will celebrate the light
    When i stumble in the darkness
    I will call your name by night

    chrous
    lord of heaven and earth
    lord of heaven and earth

    Hallelujah to the lord of heaven and earth (repeate 3 times)

    holy......holy....holy god.....

    Chorus

    Precious lord reveal your love to me....
    Father holy..
    (backround)...Lord god almighty...

    The "universe" declares your majesty
    "you are" holy,holy,holy,holy
    Halleujah to the lord of heaven and earth 9x
    http://www.lyrics007.com/Third Day Lyrics/God Of Wonders Lyrics.html

    Sarcasm on>>>>
    Stop it... make it go away!!!! Stop calling God HOLY!.. .it's of the Devil... OF THE Devil I SAY!!! I'm Melting.....
    Sarcasm off<<<<<
     
    #110 tinytim, Apr 16, 2009
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    I just realized how many 1st-person singular pronouns are in "I Stand Amazed in the Presence." Wow...and all this time, I thought it praised God...

    :eek: :D :D
     
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  12. tinytim

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    Nothing like driving up my post count by posting praise songs!!!
    Come on.. others join in.. let's show mister security officer that not all CCM is of the Devil!..

    What's your favorite CCM song?
     
    #112 tinytim, Apr 16, 2009
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    OH.. I'll fly away!!!
     
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    LOL Tim! I posted that song earlier since we're doing it in church on Sunday. I also posted You are the One by Lincoln Brewster. Never did get comments on those two.
     
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    My daughters have grown up with Christian music in the house. They listen to a wide range of styles (although no country - we don't do country in Metro NY) and they're 16 and 19. Rebellion is not something they've ever considered. Why is that? They walk with the Lord, they're missionaries in their schools, even my oldest daughter was attacked for her faith (physically) AND they're in what is typically the most rebellious time of life - yet they are not even in the remotest sense rebellious.

    I guess your statement about rock music being rebellious is wrong.
     
    #115 annsni, Apr 16, 2009
  16. Amy.G

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    How about Chris Tomlin's Amazing Grace/My chains are gone?

    He added words to the original song. :eek:


    My chains are gone
    I've been set free
    My God, my Savior has ransomed me
    And like a flood His mercy rains
    Unending love, Amazing grace
     
    #116 Amy.G, Apr 16, 2009
  17. tinytim

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    NOOOO!!! Jesus didn't ransom us!!!

    sarcasm....
     
    #117 tinytim, Apr 16, 2009
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    I must start out by saying that I am sorry to hear that your daughters were attacked physically for their faith. I hate to see persecution going on, but we are promised that it will take place. I feel for you and your daughters.

    As far as rebellion goes, are you saying that your daughters have never rebelled in their whole life? What about rebelling against God?
     
    #118 securityofficer2008, Apr 16, 2009
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    This Sunday will also be Cannons by Phil Wickham:

    It's falling from the clouds
    A strange and lovely sound
    I hear it in the thunder and rain
    It's ringing in the skies
    Like cannons in the night
    The music of the universe plays

    You are holy great and mighty
    The moon and the stars declare who You are
    I'm so unworthy, but still You love me
    Forever my heart will sing of how great You are

    Beautiful and free
    Song of Galaxies
    It's reaching far beyond the milky way
    Lets join in with the sound
    C'mon let's sing it loud
    As the music of the universe plays

    All glory, honor, power is Yours amen
    All glory, honor, power is Yours amen
    All glory, honor, power is Yours forever amen


    Forever by Chris Tomlin:

    Send "Forever" Ringtones to Cell

    Give thanks to the Lord
    Our God and King
    His love endures forever
    For He is good, He is above all things
    His love endures forever
    Sing praise, sing praise
    With a mighty hand
    and outstretched arm
    His love endures forever
    For the life that's been reborn
    His love endures forever
    Sing praise, sing praise
    Sing praise, sing praise

    Yeah
    Forever God is faithful
    Forever God is strong
    Forever God is with us
    Forever
    Forever

    From the rising to the setting sun
    His love endures forever
    By the grace of God
    We will carry on
    His love endures forever
    Sing praise, sing praise
    Sing praise, sing praise


    Glorious by Chris Tomlin:

    We lift our hands in praise to You
    We lift in our hearts in worship to You, Lord
    You Lord
    We lift our voice to You and sing
    Our greatest love will ever be You, Lord

    Glorious
    Over us
    You shall reign
    Glorious

    There is a King that we adore
    With humble hearts we bow before You, Lord
    There is a place we long to be
    Face to face we long to see You, Lord

    Majesty and power
    Are Yours alone forever



    And we'll also be singing Take my Life and Let It Be - the hymn.
     
    #119 annsni, Apr 16, 2009
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    This made me laugh. No country "in Metro NY".
     
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