Words from Palin Interview

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  1. LeBuick

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    I know you guys will think I'm gloating but truly I am just as shocked as you. One thing I thought Palin was solid about was her pro-life stance. Seems she has turned politician in just a couple of weeks.

    As most of you know, I am personally pro-life but don't believe I can decide for everyone. Palin actually agrees with me.

    http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/2008/09/gibson_drills_p.html

    Read on to her views on stem cell research...

    Please, no calling her a murderer or anything like that. Let's keep this thread civilized.
     
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    I don't see what the issue is. She's against abortion except in the very small percentage of cases of the life of the mother being in danger. She's against embryonic stem cell research.

    What she did say was that she wants to work with what we have and while Roe V. Wade is still in place, work with those on the other side of the argument to get a unified effort to decrease the number of abortions that are necessary each year.

    What's wrong with that?
     
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    Didn't someone post somewhere here the other day about that being like what 1% of the abortions done.

    Nothing.
    Considering Obamas opinons and plans will increase them, drastically.
     
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    I don't find anything wrong with it. It just seems close to what many of us here have been meeting much criticism for saying? When we'd discuss working to reduce the number of abortions someone always came along and said killing one innocent child is murder and anyone not fighting against it was a bad Christian.
     
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    Now are you saying 1% of the abortions are acceptable?

    How so, do you have any facts to support this?

    Fact is Obama pioneered this idea of the two sides working together to find common group. In fact, much of Obama campaign talking points are now bing used in the McCain campaign including his theme, "Change". It's almost like McCain has stolen his campaign.
     
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    Killing a child is wrong. No question about it. And working to stop abortion is a good thing. Politically it isn't going to ever stop happening. But you expect christians to believe it is wrong and not support people who do not think theres anything wrong with murder. This is what people have been criticized for, supporting and approving abortion with their vote.
     
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    Absoutely not what I said. I was repeating what has been posted here.
    Obama sees no need to limit abortion, he sees it as a good thing, children in his own words are a punishment. He see no reason to limit abortions, and or to stop stabbing babies in the back of the head. According to him a baby who hasn't been in the womb for 9 months isn't a person, and therefore does not deserve medical care, set it aside and let it die. Links have been posted here a number of times. So in that case a premature baby is not a person and does not deserve medical attention, so let them all die.
    When you read his voting record, and his comments that have been in the news in the past year you see he isn't the least bit interested in saving a single babies life.
     
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    So saying I am pro-life then acknowledge others right to make a choice is different from saying I don't personally believe in abortion but believe other people have a right to make a choice. You got me scratching my head now but I guess there is a difference between the two I don't really see.

    Now since McCain is favor of stem cell research, does that put him on the can't vote for list or is that different also?
     
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    So then the 1% she advocates is still unacceptable.

    Do you have proof he said this? What he said is if his child was pregnant he would want her to have a choice. i don't think that is the same as avocating stabbing children in the back of the head.

    I don't know what link was posted but the fact is he refused to answer the question of when life begins. Remember, he was criticized for saying it was above his pay grade.

    Again, the idea of both sides working together to reduce the number of abortions was first spoken in this election by Obama. I figure you can at least give credit where it's due. He's been saying this all along.
     
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    Stem cells are not taken only from aborted babies, but also cords, from live birth babies, you know, the ones obama thinks should be able to murder.
    The difference being your voting for and supporting someone who thinks life birth babies can be aborted, that they are a curse, and aren't persons. this is what you approve of.
    I guess your logic could equally be applied to being a christian, and we approve of christianity, but think we shouldn't push our opinion about the one true God on others. Out goes witnessing and evangelism. We have no right.

    She who, since I mentioned no one in the post you quoted.
    Nothing more then zero is acceptable. But with obama as we've seen time and time again, he approves of no limit, kill any baby you want it's ok, they aren't persons.

    It was posted here over and over and over, not just by me but others also, it was in newspapers and tv news. If you missed it I can't help it. he supports abortion, any abortion, even late term abortion, no limit on when murdering a baby can happen, even live birth. And when he supports partial birth abortion he supports stabbing a baby in the head with scissors, thats how it's done.http://www.abortionfacts.com/online..._love_them_both_18.asp#partial birth abortion

    What does when life begins have to do with him saying a baby who isn't 9 months old isn't a person so it's ok to murder them?
    As president so such thing as above his pay grade, so he'd better come up with real answers. And since he votes to allow and not restrict partial birth abortions, no sir it is not above his pay grade. it is exactly the answers he needs to have if he is making legal decisions for this country and the babies murdered here.
    Saying it? He's been voting to not limit abortions, but rather his votes increase abortions, and dead babies.
    I just don't get it why christians can't defend a helpless baby but would rather allow it to be murdered.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html

    murdering live birth babies
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/404kfgky.asp

    increased abrtions, taking away more states right
    http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08061010.html
     
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    http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_live_born_abortion/2008/08/26/124988.html
    Unless a bbay is carried for 9 months it has no rights according to obama, no right to medical care, and as a non person not right not to be murdered outside the womb.
    Sounds to me like it became above his pay grade only recently, it wasn't in the past.
     
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    Civil? There is nothing "civil" about abortion. Slaughtering children is not a "civil" subject. Only those who are desensitized to abortion can see anything "civil" about abortion.
     
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    I had stopped posting because the thread got way off topic. We know that Obama is pro-choice which as you said has been covered many times over and over. The article you posted is slightly twisted but I won't bother to clarify the facts since Obama is not really the topic of this thread.

    I simply pointed out that Ms Palin acknowledged and "respects" other rights to be pro-choice. If that's ok with you then fine. It is certainly ok with me. You don't have to defend her to me since I have the same view.

    It does feel like a double standard if she can acknowledge others right to be pro-chioce and it be ok but when we acknowledge others right to be pro-choice we are told we are bad Christians. I see now that the label "bad Christian" has nothing to do with our view on issues like pro-choice but has more to do with being in or out of the circle of approval.

     
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    The original gist of this thread has not really been addressed, that Palin, at publically has changed her stance on abortion. See the quote below from her spokesman Curtis Smith:


    http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/101906/sta_20061019031.shtml
     
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    I'm all for reducing the number of abortions, too.

    To zero.
     
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    I can't speak for Palin, but the issue is not someone's right to believe something. I support someone's right to be pro-choice. But abortion is still murder and should be stopped immediately with penalty of law attached. Someone has a right to be pro-choice. They should not have the right to take someone else's life because they are inconvenient to them, and not even because their dad is an idiot.

    To try to make this issue about the right to believe this or that is a straw man that totally detracts from the issue at hand. That people use it is a ruse. It is not about rights to believe something. It is about the right to life.

    One of the differences here is that some believe that the most innocent and unprotected should be protected, and others do not. And that is a pretty stark difference.
     
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    Good post, PL. You are right, the issue is a straw man contrived by the left because they hate what Sarah Palin stands for. I wish people would stop forming their opinions based on Salon and Huffington and start forming their opinions based on Scripture.

    I have no doubt that Sarah Palin's statement about "life of the mother" was not about emotional or mental health, but about a real medical issue such as an ectopic pregnancy where the mother could hemorrhage to death unless a salpingectomy is performed.
     
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    While I disappointed at her apparent back down from 100% anti-abortion, I think this another one of those issues that people are using to find fault with the candidates.

    I would like to hear more about exactly where she stands.
     
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    Abortion is a topic that conservatives love to dwell on all the while conservative politicians know there is nothing they can do to change it. There are so many important topics to consider before making a choice.

    No I am not pro-abortion.
     
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    I agree with you here Roger, America has fallen in love with someone they don't know mostly because of a great speech she gave at the convention (sound familiar). I too will leave the jury out on Palin but I think there is more politician in her than many think. Based on everything I've been reading on her she has been 100% pro-life so I believe this slight change in position is to attract some of the pro-choice Hillary hold outs but still pro-life enough to keep the conservatives happy. This means her position can be compromised and views will be adjusted to balance votes which makes her just another run of the mill politician. Kind of like how she changed up on the bridge when it became unpopular.
     

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