Words of Jesus fell to the ground? (passed away)

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  1. Salamander

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    Rob said,
    I only want to address the comment above.

    Doesn't this kind of mindset deny Scripture?

    Luke 12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.


    Now wouldn't this also apply to anything Jesus ever said, considering His Words are Light, but appeared as "darkness" to those who denied, and deny, His Deity?

    I'm not debating the person, just exposing the mindset.
     
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    I find your attempt hilarious, and completely ignoring all known facts.

    Tell me, where are the words Jesus spoke while he was 18 years old (actually, just pick one week during his 18th year) preserved for us on this planet?

    Otherwise, this topic can be most aptly described as grasping at straws.
     
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    Seems they're recorded in heaven, preserved forever, just as every idle word you speak yourself. [​IMG] [​IMG] :eek: [​IMG]
     
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    Then what does it matter? Everything is preserved in heaven, since God knows all and sees all.

    If they werent preserved here on earth, then exactly what part of Rob's post are you disagreeing with?
     
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    Originally posted by Salamander:
    [QB] Rob said,
    I only want to address the comment above.

    Doesn't this kind of mindset deny Scripture?


    No. Think about how many words YOU say in one day. It's several thousand, at least, isn't it? Over a million per year, right?

    Didn't John say that if everything Jesus did was recorded, the world couldn't hold all the scrolls? And that was only some 3 1/2 years' worth.

    Luke 12:3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

    Who was speaking? And who are "YE?


    Now wouldn't this also apply to anything Jesus ever said, considering His Words are Light, but appeared as "darkness" to those who denied, and deny, His Deity?

    Yes, to one who's in the habit of dreaming up new interpretations of Scripture.

    I'm not debating the person, just exposing the mindset.

    But of course. You'd lose the debate in five minutes. And the mindset being exposed is YOURS, showing, in this post anyway, a distinct lack of common sense.

    Scripture only presents the HIGHLIGHTS of Jesus' earthly life. Again, if YOU kept a diary of every little thing you did in one single day, it'd just about equal the number of words in the Four Gospels, I.E."7 AM-8:30 AM: Got up, did my business, brushed teeth, rinsed mouth with Listerine, showered, shaved, combed hair, got dressed, had breakfast, read the newspaper, studied my car's tires for proper inflation, drobe to work." "8:30-10 AM: Dictated a letter to a client to a secretary; here's the text..."

    Jesus most likely said to some people: "How much for those two fish?" "Here's your money. Please deliver the wood for my project at the 4th house on the right on Ben-Hur street before the 7th hour." " "I'll give you three copper shekels for this pair of sandals."

    And, like you or me, He most likely spoke thousands of words a day. Scripture simply doesn't record all the mundane everyday things He did. This is why many Jews didn't believe in Him...He lived an ordinary life mosta the time. He worked. He ate, drank, slept, used the restroom, washed, groomed, WORSHIPPED, and everything else a typical Jewish man of the time/place did...except sin.

    As to whether His every little word and mundane acts are recorded in heaven, I don't know...but if they are, He didn't intend for them to be part of what He wanted preserved for us, in this mortal life.

    And again...How about the words He wrote in the dirt? WE certainly don't knowingly have them.
     
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    They prolly are, but that doesn't make'em available to US, at least in this world.
     
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    Yes, they did pass away.

    Do you really want to read how many times he asked Mary or Joseph to go potty? Do we really want to know how many times he walked by someone and said "Hey, 'sup?" Makes for a very uninteresting read and detracts from the message of scripture, pointing man to his need for the Cross.
     
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    Exactly.

    That's why I posted as much in previous messages.

    Each ordinary person speaks or writes several thousand words a day...and one reason many Jews didn't believe in Jesus was because He seemed so ordinary.

    As was mentioned, very few of His words before He began His ministry are preserved. When at age 12 He debated the elders in the Temple, His words with them are not recorded here on earth. And Scripture tells of His going from town to town teaching, preaching, and performing miracles, w/o naming the towns, identifying the specific miracles, nor recording one word of what He said.

    This whole thread is an example of eisegesis, of a person's interpreting Scripture to fit his idea, in order to try to support a hollow theory about a certain Bible version.
     
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    yup, and as usual, once your premise is shown to be in error, the thread grows suprisingly dormant.
     
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    I have shown no error, except that your opinion of what is important or not is not subjective.

    I have shown that every idle word is recorded in Heaven, and as a daddy myself,I treasure the early childhood antics of my children. To hear them say those first words and make their first sound is very precious. They have fallen to the ground, but they are not in Heaven. I will love it when I can hear my Saviour be quoted,played back, or whatever means God the Father uses and will certainly enjoy the remminencings.

    Scripture proves your error.
     
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    Well, Sal, what about the millions of everyday mundane words Jesus wrote or spoke? How about all His words before He began His ministry, excepting those recorded in Luke 2:49? Did they pass away from the earth or not? If not, where ON EARTH are they?
     
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    You have not shown it with scripture within context.

    Yes, I also treasure the words of my children, I have a 3 year old that thinks his older brother and sister are the kids and he is their adult. Funny to his mom and I but no one else finds as humorous as we. Same way with Christ, Mary and Joseph found much of what He said worth holding on to but we would not. Every word He spoke was not spoken as God incarnate. He was still 100% human and I really don't want to hear a replay of Him announcing to Mary and Joseph that He "pooped"! Do You? :rolleyes:
     
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    Salamander:I have shown that every idle word is recorded in Heaven, and as a daddy myself,I treasure the early childhood antics of my children.

    Here's ONE side...


    To hear them say those first words and make their first sound is very precious. They have fallen to the ground, but they are not in Heaven.

    .....and here's the other. Nothing like a good ole DOUBLE STANDARD, eh?


    Were your kid's first words idle words or not? If YOUR and MY idle words are recorded in heaven, why are your kids' words not?


    I will love it when I can hear my Saviour be quoted,played back, or whatever means God the Father uses and will certainly enjoy the remminencings.

    Think He's gonna play back, "Mommy, I want some milk"?

    Scripture proves your error.

    Actually, the ONLY error proven is YOURS...YOUR INCORRECT 'TAKE' OF CERTAIN SCRIPTURES. First, you say every word of JESUS was recorded here on earth...then you vacillate, saying they were recorded in HEAVEN(Which I don't deny, but what happened to the notion they were recorded on EARTH?)Then, you say (correctly) that every idle word is recorded IN HEAVEN, (which, of a necessity includes everyone's not-so-idle words), but then YOU DENY YOUR OWN CHILDRENS' WORDS ARE RECORDED IN HEAVEN ! ! ! You just stepped in it, Bro!

    Now...What happened to the premise that EVERY WORD JESUS EVER SPOKE AS A HUMAN is recorded ON EARTH?
     
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    Words of God the Son are now "mundane"? :confused:

    I believe His ministry began the very moment God spoke this all into existence, and before the foundations of the world, why don't you?

    Fell to the ground and passed away are two completely different things. I don't even think for a split second that anything God ever said has passed from this earth.

    Where are they? Hmmm, the answer my friend, is blowing in the wind.

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    Every word he spoke on earth is recorded, just like your convoluted remarks are also recorded.

    There is no double standard here, may be some double entry though.

    You seem to think everything is limited to Jesus as we find recorded in the Bible, but you overlook the fact that if al his good works were written down, the world could not contain the whole.

    Why am I not surprised at you?
     
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    Salamander:Words of God the Son are now "mundane"?[/i] [Confused]

    Yep, most of them were. What's not mundane about "What's the price of this fish?" If not mundane, why are His childhood words, His everyday business dealings, etc. not in Scripture?

    I believe His ministry began the very moment God spoke this all into existence, and before the foundations of the world, why don't you?

    Because He wasn't even known by His real identity before He was born. Yes, He was manifest in His precarnate form, such as when He appeared to Joshua as captain of the Lord's army, but Josh didn't know His true ID.

    Fell to the ground and passed away are two completely different things. I don't even think for a split second that anything God ever said has passed from this earth.

    OK, then, where are the words not found in Scripture that Jesus spoke or wrote before His ministry began?

    Where are they? Hmmm, the answer my friend, is blowing in the wind.

    Sal-Ese for "I am clueless".

    You really seem confused on just who Jesus is.

    No, I know exactly who He is. OTOH, YOU are confused about a common-sense application of some things He said. When He said His words wouldn't pass away, He plainly meant the words He wanted preserved outta the millions of words he said. Again, where ON EARTH are His childhood words? How about His words while He worked as a carpenter?
     
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    Salamander:Every word he spoke on earth is recorded, just like your convoluted remarks are also recorded.

    You're trying to avoid the fact that this thread is about Jesus' words that are not now available to us, and that you've been shown to be wrong.

    There is no double standard here, may be some double entry though.

    There isn't? First, you said your kids' words were recorded in heaven, then you said they didn't. Quit trying to squirm outta it.

    You seem to think everything is limited to Jesus as we find recorded in the Bible, but you overlook the fact that if al his good works were written down, the world could not contain the whole.

    That's exactly my point. The Scriptures contain only the HIGHLIGHTS of Jesus' life on earth that He chose to have recorded/preserved on earth.

    Why am I not surprised at you?

    Because I, and others, have proven you wrong before, and somewhere in the backa your mind, you knew you were gonna get bounced again. No surprise, eh?

    Now, once more...WHAT DID JESUS WRITE IN THE DUST when He was presented with the woman caught in adultery? Did those words pass away from earth or not?
     
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    If the comment is referring to being recorded in scripture, that's simply untrue. I doubt very highly that Jesus went from birth to the age of 12, and then from the age of 12 to 30, without saying a word.

    The Gospels record the fact that there was much more of Jesus' activities that were not recorded in the individual writings.
     
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    This topic had nothing to do with Bible versions or translations.

    Since I don't know where it would fit, I am simply going to close it.
     
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