You know, I believe that if James and Titus were on this Board today they'd be accused of "promoting a Works Religion" .... What do you think? and while we are at it, do you think maybe that instead of posting 10 Bible verses that say we are saved by grace that we could actually realize that what James and Titus are saying is **gasp** equally true?? do you think there needs to be some harmonizing of the different passages rather than just throwing out what you dont like to read? do you care at all about what James and Titus said? because Titus just told you that some WHO PROFESS TO KNOW GOD are in BIG TROUBLE!! how do we know this? BY THEIR WORKS! And then there is James who goes and tells us well can our faith SAVE US if we dont have works? what are YOU saying? Yes??? No??? only one answer allowable here. Well, whats the matter with these two? Dont they know ANYTHING about Faith? Ti:1:16: They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. James 2 14: What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15: If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16: And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17: Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18: Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19: Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20: But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?