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Worldly dress problems!

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Ingo Breuer, Jun 7, 2008.

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  1. menageriekeeper

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    Continued from above(or perhaps from the previous page):

    Of course it does. This is yet another scripture telling us to be more concerned with what is in our hearts than what is on our bodies/how we appear to the world.

    Exactly. Therefore if you tell me that I am immodest in my dress because I dress differently than you believe I should AND I know and am secure in my place as God’s child that YOU are the one with the problem. I am NOT being insulting.

    This passage is a difficult verse taken out of a difficult passage dealing with how we Christians “see” one another and how we decide who is “being good” and who is being “better than good” and who is just not being either one. This particular verse tells us that there will be differences between us and that those differences don’t mean that either one of us is any more “immoral and disobedient” than another.

    This is a very good passage btw, and one I recommend that you spend some time studying.

    As a former pastor of mine used to say: I’m done!
     
    #41 menageriekeeper, Jun 9, 2008
  2. tinytim

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    It really must be nice to start a thread,. then set back and watch other fight it out....

    So is the OP going to come back?
     
    #42 tinytim, Jun 9, 2008
  3. Cutter

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    How long would it take if we all got naked, (when weather permitted) before it became a non-issue and maybe eliminate the porn and sex problems in the world?

    PS. My apologies to Shane!
     
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  4. annsni

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    I certainly hope nakedness is not sinful - because intimacy with DH would be hard with too many clothes. ;)

    So you're saying that they were dressed before they ate the fruit? I don't understand your argument. They were naked - they were not wearing clothing when God created them, walked with them and gave them the guidelines for living. Afterwards, they hit because they were trying to cover themselves but I guess couldn't do it well enough. They also discovered their shame - not just their lack of clothing.

    Do you honestly think God "covered" them because of Himself? Why did God walk with them all the other times while they were naked and not say or do anything? Do you think that there's something more there? He covered them because of them now "seeing" the nakedness. Of their hearts being aware of something and labeling it "shameful". God didn't say that their not being covered was shameful. He asked them who had told them that they were naked - He didn't ask "why were you naked?"

    You may want to go to the original language to really see what an apron is. Yes, our American word "apron" means what you wrote above but in the Hebrew, it's a different word. It's chagowr which means "girdle, loin-covering, belt, loin-cloth, armour" This is the only instance of the word being translated as "apron" - it's translated as "girdle" 3 times, "armour" once and "gird" once. So your speech on this issue falls flat. Apparently they covered their lower areas but the woman did not cover her breasts from what we can see.

    Honestly, your post is invalid Brother Shane. God created Adam and Eve naked and said it was "very good". He did not clothe them - so it was not a sin to be naked. Our first view of clothing is seen in the fig leaves but we see that it was not good enough - a forshadowing of the necessity of sacrifice to cover the sin. God Himself made the first sacrifice to cover the sins of His children - the animal/s that he slayed to take their skin to cover Adam and Eve. From that point on, it was a shame to be seen naked in public.

    I do not dress immodestly. I do wear shorts (longer) and I do wear sleeveless shirts but I make sure they cover what should be covered. I would be happy to stand before my Creator in what I wore today in 99 degree temperature with high humidity as I mucked stalls at the barn. (Although I'd like to be able to clean up the horse slobber from my arms if I could). I'm in the presence of the Lord in all that I do - from mucking that stall to making love to my husband and I'm not embarrassed to have Him right there next to me through any of it. I DO think there is an "appropriateness" to clothing and situations - I wouldn't wear what I wore to the barn today to church or to a wedding but then again, I'd not wear what I'd wear to church or to a wedding at the barn. But that does not mean that any of those clothes are wrong.
     
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  5. David Lamb

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    Brother Shane,
    What do all those apostrophe-like characters mean? I am assuming they must mean something, as you have sent two posts (38 and 39) consisting of a row of them. :)
     
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  6. David Lamb

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    I see that the poster of the OP has an average of 0.06 posts per day, so at that rate there might be a further post by 23rd June. (Only joking! :laugh: )
     
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  7. Ingo Breuer

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    Thank you

    Thank you for all these messages. They are too plenty for me to answer individually. I agree that my soon-to-be ex-wife's family has done a lot to undermine my authority. The reason for that is that this family is heavily involvd in the Baptist brider cult. This family has done everything to influence my wife away from me, so she would join their "true church" with the lineage to John the Baptist while I am an "evil" alien. When I see the damage that Missionary Baptist have caused in my life, I can say with all of my heart: That's not a church I want to belong to. I want to warn you of their flattery love-bombing, the arrogant. proud attitude they have about their church that makes them look down their nose at every other Christian. These people have basically split my family just to get my wife to join and try to influence my daughter away from me by spoiling and pampering her, buying her stuff (America's materialism problem, trying to buy/manipulate people) and letting her do everything. Gracie used to be obedient and full of a good attitude. Now that she spends time around this crowd, she is getting unruly, talks back and has a selfish attitude. When I see how some of these "Baptists" in your family try to use a child as a pawn in their hatred against me it makes me wish sometimes I had remained in the Catholic church. I left the Catholic church when I got saved in 1995. But in hindsight I observe that a lot of the so-called Baptists around me had an extremely negative and misleading influence on my life. I hate to say that. But it is a crime when church people encourage others to divorce just to baptize another soul into the bride and to make sure the child gets to "hear the gospel" at the "true church". That turns my stomach that "Christians" have degraded to such a low degree.
     
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  8. Allan

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    Please don't confuse the actions of one church to be the standard for all Missionary Baptist Churches. (it appears to me that is what you are saying but it might not be so). I know many brothers and sisters as well as many Churches who are Missionary Baptists and they would be standing right be 'your' side against such actions from a church that equates itself with them.

    And also please don't place all or most 'christians' in the status of 'degraded to such a low degree' either because that is what your last statement indicates. I think however what you meant to say is that it "turns your stomach that [some] 'christians' have degraded to a low degree". (I quite sure that it was :) )
     
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  9. Brother Shane

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  11. rbell

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    Brother Shane...

    While you're arguing the modesty issue, maybe you ought to study up on the "bearing false witness" issue.

    Twisting another's words and claiming another has said something that they never said is a wee bit problematic for a Christian.

    I realize you're young...but that gives you no right to engage in such behavior.

    Do us all a favor and deal with what we say in these debates...and let's quit inventing quotes from other people. Start being intellectually honest.
     
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    Thank you for your reply...

    I hear a lot of hurt and anger from you... and if that happend to me, I would be fighting mad...
     
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  13. Cutter

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    How long would it take if we all got naked, (when weather permitted) before it became a non-issue and maybe eliminate the porn and sex problems in the world?

    PS. My apologies to Shane!
     
    #53 Cutter, Jun 10, 2008
  14. tinytim

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    That would be scary!!!
     
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  15. Brother Shane

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  16. Cutter

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    Shane, do you take a shower with the lights on? :D
     
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    Man, some of you are really warped. :BangHead:

    I say this to your shame.
     
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  18. rbell

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    "Brother" Shane (you're not acting like one at the moment), let me help you out with something:

    You're being judgemental, mean, ugly, nasty, and your attitude is wrong, unbiblical, sorry, and needs correcting. Insults like:






    Are offensive, ugly, and ought to be something a growing Christian stays away from. Grow up, and put a cork in it.

    Someday, when you mature (and that's quite a big assumption on my part), you will discover that the insults you're hurling at Ann and MK are not wise. Besides being wrong, you will discover that these ladies have husbands, who don't take kindly to your kind of insults.

    How dare you question Ann's character, and insinuate she's a woman of ill repute? You owe her an apology, but it's doubtful you're man enough to offer one.

    If I were in charge, which I'm not, you'd have about ten minutes to offer an apology, and then you'd be on a BB vacation.

    If you have a Bible handy, how 'bout reading Matthew 7:1-5. I could care less what (valid) version. Just start obeying it, and quit impugning the character of these wonderful ladies on the BB.
     
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  19. dan e.

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    Oh man...as obnoxious as your post was, it had me chuckling. I'm not sure why....I think it is because of your ignorance. It's okay, we're all ignorant about something, it's the way we handle ourselves in our ignorance that either makes us grow, or come off as ignorant.

    You, my friend, come off as extremely ignorant.
     
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  20. Brother Shane

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    Luke 6:23 - "Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets."


    1 John 3:13 - "Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you."


    Amen. :thumbs:
     
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