World's Greatest Empire

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  1. Dr. Bob

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    Lots of choices out there. Rome, Greece, Persia, China, Babylon, Ottoman, Russian, German, USA, Mayan, Incan, Japanese and some from Mali and other African empires.

    I am strongly leaning toward the British Empire circa 1900.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Pete Richert

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    I gotta go with Rome on this one.
     
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    So many choices. I'd go with the Mongols.
     
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    God indicated in Daniel that Babylon (the head of gold) was the greatest of empires!!!

    Just a thought!
     
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    The obvious choice is the United States of America. No "empire" has ever had this kind of military power ever. And the US political and cultural influence is also far reaching.
     
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    I would go with the British Empire. The sun never set on the British Empire, was the saying.
     
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    Okay, after giving this some thought & sleeping on it, I have partially changed my mind.... [​IMG]

    The world's greatest empire as far as land mass and population (in a physical sense) would be the British Empire, IMO.

    But the world's greatest enduring empire (spiritually speaking) would be that of Nebuchadnezzer (tracing roots back to Nimrod / Babel), who is also the head of the statue in the book of Daniel, and whose spiritual kingdom has endured until this very day...whose ultimate defeat will come at the Battle of Armageddon at a future date known only to God, when the Greatest Kingdom in Heaven & Earth will come to Power under the reign of our Lord Jesus Christ! Amen! [​IMG]
     
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    Dr. Bob Griffin,

    Can you define by what you mean as "greatest empire"? Maybe with you help we can apply certain criteria to the "greatest". With defined criteria we can look at the various choices that have been posted so far. IMHO, the USA is the most powerful nation that has ever existed, at least militarily. Because of modern technology, the USA can strike anywhere on earth in a matters of hours.

    Thanks,

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    Hi, ChurchBoy. Does the US qualify as an empire? We are the strongest and greatest nation on earth, but does that mean we are an empire?

    Isn't an empire comprised of several or many nations that become a part or sector of the conquering mother nation? :confused:
     
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    SheEagle,

    I would agree that the USA is not an "empire" in the traditional sense but it at times it behaves like an empire. If you look at the other choices people have posted, there many types of governments represented. The USA has tremendous power and influence throughout the world. How many governments has the CIA helped to overthrow? The USA disregared the UN when it went into Iraq. Even though I agreed with the invasion, the USA didn't wait for UN approval which shows to me an "empire" mentality. In the past empires have exerted influence on other nations through military means. The USA exerts influence mainly through political and ecomonic means. The outcome is the same, though. Hope this helps.

    God Bless,

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  11. Dr. Bob

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    In 1797-1914 the USA was an empire in the sense of conquest of weaker nations (Indian tribes), France, Spain, Mexico and Canada, demanding territory, control, concessions. Then overseas to Cuba, Puerto Rico, Philippines and Oceania, et al from Spain.

    Thankfully we did NOT get mixed up with European Empires in their territorial conquests in Africa and SE Asia after WWI.
     
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    Dr. Bob, when did the USA ever conquer anything in Canada? It never even stepped foot in Canada, let alone fire a shot. The only fort built to defend against an American invasion was never ever fired upon in all its history and that fort still stands to-day in Kingston.

    There was a Fenian (Irish) raid during the Civil War, but they too were defeated and chased off by the Militia in Ontario....they had nothing to do with America; it was totally an Irish thing.

    The other attempt had to do with taking British Columbia, for which the RCMP was formed, and the Yanks backed off, taking the RCMP to be an army rather than a police force.

    Cheers,

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    Numerous attempts and efforts to take land (much disputed) in the 1800's. Until the line on the 49th parallel was established.

    Remember the rallying cry, 54'40" or Fight

    IF AMERICA had done what we should have and not just burned your capital in 1812 or raided into Vt during the Civil War, then you guys would be speaking English today! :eek: [​IMG]
     
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    I think you have the wrong country or a distorted view of history. The threat to invade Canada was made, but never done.

    Burned our capitol? Please, tell me where that capitol was in that year.........and capitol of what?

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Jim, the US did invade Canada, several times. During the revolution:

    http://www.americanrevolution.com/AmRevInvasionCanada.htm

    And several invasions during the War of 1812.

    http://www.battlefieldhouse.ca/battle.html

    All of the invasions were ultimately unsuccessful. Eh?

    Also, from socialstudieshelp.com, one of the best social studies teacher sites:

    D. What happened during the War of 1812?

    1. The Canadian Front

    a) Madison called for 50,000 volunteers for a year’s service in the regular army. 5,000 signed up. Because of this situation, the first attempts to invade Canada were disastrous.

    b) The American fleet on Lake Eric defeated a British fleet. The Americans regained Detroit, and two American armies invaded Canada, winning the battles at the Thames River, York (Toronto), and Fort George.

    2. The British Burn Washington D.C.

    3. By 1814 British landing parties were burning towns all along the coast. That summer they sent a sizable force up to Chesapeake Bay.

    4. In revenge for the American raid on York, the capital of Canada, the British burned the Capitol, the White House, and other public buildings.
     
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    You are talking about the British colony of Upper Canada. Canada was not formed until 1867 and the first capitol was at Kingston. York (Toronto) was indeed the capitol of Upper Canada. Even in 1867, Canada consisted of Upper Canada (Ontario), Lower Canada (Quebec), Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.PEI was a possession of Nova Scotia at that time.

    If the British fleet was on the Thames River they must have been in Canoes. The Thames is a landlocked small river near London, Ontario.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    Jim, you're being obtuse. When I said we invaded Canada, attacked (and partially burned) their capital at York, etc etc YOU rejoin that it wasn't really Canada, it was a British Colony.

    You know and I know and everyone knows we're talking about Canada, no matter what the name at the time. :rolleyes:

    Guess our forbears must have known that it just really was WORTH conquering our northern suburbs. Let the French call the shots. :eek: [​IMG] :eek:
     
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    I never knew this, but have learned something new tonight....

    Source

    Pardon me for digressing from the thread topic. :eek:
     
  20. Clay Knick

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    Empires that have had the greatest impact
    in history (IMO):

    Roman
    British
    USA? (An unintentional empire?)

    Clay
     

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