Featured Would Jesus Still be the Saviour if NOT Virgin Born?

And God breathed into Adam the breath of life and he became a living soul.

Do you look at everything with carnal eyes?
How many characteristics of Mary did Jesus have?
Did Jesus have the spiritual nature of Mary?
Did he inherit the Holy Spirit from Mary?
Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit not of Joseph.

You need some spiritual insight here; not everything is carnal, as you suppose.

 

I do not deny that Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit. But the scriptures clearly say Jesus took part of "the same" flesh and blood as us (and you believe sin is in the flesh). The scriptures say he took on the nature of the seed of Abraham who were all born after "the fall". The scriptures say he was made like unto his brethren the Jews in "all things".

Jesus was born of a virgin as a sign, not to escape a sin nature. The scriptures say he was made of the "seed of David". In fact, read your scriptures, this is what the people constantly called Jesus, "thou Son of David"

Mat 12:23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?

Mat 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

Mat 20:30 And, behold, two blind men sitting by the way side, when they heard that Jesus passed by, cried out, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou Son of David.
31 And the multitude rebuked them, because they should hold their peace: but they cried the more, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou Son of David.

Now, you may not understand that Jesus was physically descended from David, but they Jews did.

God is not a descendant of David, Jesus could only be descended from David through his mother. He was "made of the seed of David" through his mother Mary.

Jhn 7:42 Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?

2 Tim 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

If you want to continue to believe and teach a falsehood, that is up to you, but Jesus was made of "the same" flesh we are, and he was the seed of a man (according to the FLESH), namely, David.

 

Really? Were you conceived of the Holy Spirit?
Were you virgin born?
Is your human father in reality God himself?

Mary was but a human vessel to bring God into this world.
The incarnation is "God come in the flesh." He came through Mary that He might have a body "like unto ours," not exactly as ours. The Jews did not know much about Genetics and DNA, but they knew that He was like them. He was like them and yet different.
What was different about Jesus that when Andrew saw Jesus he immediately went to his brother, Simon, and said to him, "Come and see; is not this the Messiah?" He was more than "just a man." He was perfect; He was God who could not sin. He had no sin nature and was born without one.
All of us are born with one; no one is born innocent; all are born under the curse as guilty sinners--all except Christ.

 

No, but that is not the disagreement between us. You believe Jesus had to be born of a virgin to escape a sin nature. Virgins are sinners just like everyone else. The scriptures say Jesus took part of "the same" flesh and blood as us, that he was the seed of David (a man) according to the flesh.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Do you know what "the same" means?

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Does this verse say Jesus was made of the seed of Mary according to the flesh? Maybe you think the Holy Spirit made a mistake here?

Jesus was born with the same nature as the seed of Abraham. I personally do not believe we are born with a sin nature, I believe we all acquire a sin nature through willing sin when we are of age, but I believe we are made upright originally. So, I have no problem with Jesus having a human nature as you do.

Ecc 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

You haven't left Catholicism, you are deeply entrenched and do not even know it.

 

More gnosticism

 

You have a low view of the Scriptures.
I gave you Scripture and you call it "gnosticism"??????

 

But He was. End of discussion.

 

You have an unhealthy high view of your own words (which I bolded) to equate them with Scripture.

 

Amen brother!

 

The question is, was a virgin birth necessary for Christ's sinlessness.

No.

 

I may be wrong, but I think DHK's "gnosticism" is to be preferred to your paganism.

 

No basis for saying that, but of course you will get away for trolling and unchristlikeness as is the norm. Apparently you abide by extreme dualism, too.

"You may be wrong"...now you are just being a comedian.

 

There we have agreement. 'Nuf said. This ends the discussion.

Thanks, DHK. Good post. :thumbsup:

 

Because you agree...the debate is over :laugh:

Are you the baptist pope? :laugh:

 

No. He would have inherited a sin nature from His father and, thus, not been an acceptable sacrifice.

 

So Mary had no sin nature? She did not have an earthly father?

I'm assuming that if you claim that the sin nature comes only from the father, then you just about have to believe in the Immaculate Conception of Mary and then, by logical consequence, the Assumption of Mary.