Would Paul write what he never preached?

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  1. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    Would Paul - or any contributor to the writings of the New Testament for that matter - have written as a Letter to the Church something that he never preached to the Congregations as a sermon? For example,


    Did Paul ever PREACH first Corinthians chapter 15?
     
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    As Paul wrote most of his letters from prison, in Rome, then answer would be no, he didn't preach any of those letters to the churches that is noted, he just wrote them as letters.
     
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    Thanks for your quick reply!

    Was first Corinthians written from prison?

     
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    No, all the Letters Paul wrote, especially the doctrinal aspects, for instance Eph 1-3 are things that He preached as the Gospel of God's Grace, or would have Preached if had the Opportunity. If He did not directly preach to a People, someone of like precious faith did. But Paul never wrote anything new or what the recipient's never previously heard in the preaching of the gospel. All His Letters served as instruments in confirming the testimony of the Gospel already having been received at an earlier date !
     
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    GE:

    So, what is your answer? Confirming or disagreeing?

    Would Congregations have heard the Message contained in 1Corinthians 15 proclaimed by mouth by Paul - and for that matter by the other apostles - before or / and after that he had written the Letter and it had been sent to the various churches?

    Your answer looks ambiguous to me ... just please try a more definite 'yes' or 'no', please. Was the resurrection from the dead preached in the churches like it is taught in 1Corinthians chapter 15?
     
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    Paul visited, and established the church at Corinth, on his second missionary journey. The book of 1st Corinthians was written during his third missionary journey (my study Bible says from Philippi, although I have read elsewhere it was Ephesus). Paul was imprisoned twice, once in Judea and once in Rome and spent even a lot of his traveling while under guard, from my understanding. We think of letter writing as sitting down and writing but some of these letters took a very long while to write and then were passed from church to church while being delivered.

    So, evidently 1st Corinthians was not written from prison, but from either Philippi or Ephesus on his 2nd missionary journey.
     
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    No, all the Letters Paul wrote, especially the doctrinal aspects, for instance Eph 1-3 are things that He preached as the Gospel of God's Grace, or would have Preached if had the Opportunity. If He did not directly preach to a People, someone of like precious faith did. But Paul never wrote anything new or what the recipient's never previously heard in the preaching of the gospel. All His Letters served as instruments in confirming the testimony of the Gospel already having been received at an earlier date !
     
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    I so disagree with you SBM. Paul received reports, such as the one received regarding the trouble in the church at Corinth. He sat down and wrote them a letter. It may, or may not, have been something preached before. How could he have preached about them having sexual sin in the church before it happened? He didn't. Paul's recorded sermons were all about his personal salvation experience. I can't recall a single one that was anything else.
     
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    Thats ok, Paul could have received reports from all His Missionary Journeys ! I am sure he did ! That would be nothing uncommon !
     
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    Lovely, we agree on this. However, you said that everything Paul wrote he'd already preached. Not true. He could not have preached about something so specific that had not yet occured. This is what I am disagreeing with you on.
     
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    The resurrection of Christ from the dead is a Gospel Truth, it was Preached in the OT and understood to a degree in the OT. Job knew of the resurrection when He stated this Job 19:25

    For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

    Jesus said His Death and Resurrection was fulfillment of Scripture from the OT
    scriptures !

    1 Cor 15:3-4

    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:[/B]

    God Preached the Gospel, the same Gospel to Abraham saying Gal 3:8

    8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
     
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    GE:

    Thanks.

    Now that we know Paul wrote 1Corinthians 15 as a free man and preaching travelling apostle of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I ask again, would Paul have PREACHED THIS CHAPTER IN THE CONGREGATIONS? Would he have used the 'worship hour' to 'deliver his sermon' I suggest is contained in 1Corinthians 15?
     
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    GE:

    For me then, your answer is a clear 'Yes!' that Paul in fact wrote what he preached and preached what he wrote IN THE CHURCH!

    Would you agree?

     
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    Would he, could he, did he? I wasn't there (in spite of my son's comment once upon a time that he though I lived during caveman's time LOL). It's the doctrine of resurrection, so could he have preached a sermon on it? I suppose so, but I don't know that Paul ever preached any sermon other than his own personal testimony. I can not recall one instance in scripture where a recorded sermon of Paul's is anything other than his personal testimony.
    Would he have? Again, I answer the same...Paul, to the best of my knowledge, used his preaching time to share his personal testimony. The letters he wrote to the church in Corinth addressed issues and problems they were having.
     
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    Yes ! Anything Paul wrote of a Doctrinal Nature to any Church or group of Individuals was the same Gospel He preached to them in Person or some other Apostle or Apostle's co Labourer preached to them in Person !
     
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    GE:

    Do you mean that because the resurrection had not yet occurred Paul would not have preached about it, but obviously did write about it despite it had not yet occurred?

    Why make things so difficult? I don't want to know why Paul might also have preached what he had written about; just if he did?

    If we could come to conclusion that he did or did not : in the church-gatherings, we may further investigate why he did or did not.

    But for now, I only ask if Paul both preached and wrote on the subject found in 1Corinthians 15 --- IN THE CHURCHES, SPECIFICALLY?

     
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    Sorry to have confused, but I gave the example that Paul wrote to the church in Corinth about the immorality going on in their church, about the confusion in services, etc. I said he could not have preached on these things at the Church in Corinth because previous to his writing the letter they had not yet occured.

    Christ's resurrection had definitely occured prior to Paul's writing to the church in Corinth. As I have stated before, to the best of my knowledge and by all accounts of Paul's sermons given in scripture he did not preach specifically on the resurrection but gave his own personal testimony time and again. So DID he PREACH I Corinthians 15? If he did it's not recorded in scripture.
     
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    What you here said is very important for my purpose with asking.
    What you here state for fact, is in fact, fact!
    Fact namely, that “Christ's resurrection had definitely occured prior to Paul's writing to the church in Corinth.”
    Would you therefore agree that Paul’s dealing on the general resurrection at Jesus’ Return can be compared to Christ’s resurrection?
    Diamond Lady, did Paul not therefore actually PREACH “specifically on the resurrection”?! Does he not ACTUALLY HERE in 1Corinthians 15, give “his own personal testimony” as most certainly he would have proclaimed and testified by WORD in PERSON TO Congregations IN gatherings-together in WORSHIP of Jesus Christ and so DID _PREACH_ ICorinthians 15?!

    He did! Because it IS, “recorded” in this, very, “Scripture” of 1 Corinthians chapter 15!

    See what I mean …?

     
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    I do understand what you are saying, yes. The difference lays in preaching and writing. In THIS instance Paul is not preaching, but writing. Did he preach this specific issue elsewhere? It's not recorded. Acts 17 is his sermon on Mars Hill, Acts 24 when he speaks to the High Priest and Elders, Acts 25 when he stands before Festus, and Acts 25& 26 when he stands before Agrippa. If I am missing any, please let me know.
     
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    Yes for the Elect Chosen in Him, but not for the non elect, though they will be raised by His Power also ! But their resurrection is not connected to Christ's , for He is not the Firstfruit of theirs as He is of His Body the Church !
     

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