I had a interesting experience this past week that made me wonder if our mode of communication might be hindering us. I "debated" and "discussed" the issues of Calvinism/Arminianism with a relative over a two year period via email. Much of the same arguments and issues were raised in our discussion as we see on this board regularly. I finally got tired of it and call him on the phone. In an hour he came to at least understand and respect my perspective. After two days of studying it he emailed me some questions and I called him back. We talked for another hour or so. He still had a lot of issues, but within a week he emailed me and said, "You know, you may be right about this after all. It seems so much more clear now." Now, lest I receive the wrath of those who oppose my point of view, I also recall being much more effective when I was still a Calvinist talking with someone one on one. I just wonder how much is hindered in communication on a message board versus phone conversations and one on one visits? I bring this up because I think there are some who come to this board who are really searching for answers and want to view these issues objectively. I just wonder how much this really helps as compared to a simple phone call. All that to say if you are here and want to really understand another perspective I wouldn't mind talking about it on the phone. Send me a PM.