Would you accept stem cells?

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  1. tinytim

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    If you were dying from a disease, and you knew that the stem cells from discarded embryos would save your life, would you accept the treatment?

    What if it were your child, would you encourage them to accept the treatment?
    Your parent?
    Your neighbor?


    My answer... NO...

    My life is not worth enough to destroy another human's life.
     
  2. donnA

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    No I wouldn't
     
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    If the embryo had no other chance for life like in the case of in vitro fertilization with no ready womb or embryo's produced in a test tube like environment then yes I would. There are many types of embryo's that have nothing to do with abortions which is a subject all of its own...
     
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    Well said!
     
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    Very well said. And there are ways now of obtaining stem cells without harming a fetus. So, yes I would accept stem cells.
     
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    The OP was not about stem cells from other means, but stem cells from embryos. That is the topic.

    So, are we to assume that it is okay by you for embryos to be created just to be destroyed for their stem cells? That is what it sounds like to me, so please clarify. Thanks.
     
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    Yes, I am not talking about stem cells from other resources... Nothing wrong there...
     
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    If you are in the moment....are you honestly going to quiz the doctor as to where the stem cells came from? What if they had no idea? I'm sure it's likely they would know....but then again, I could be wrong.

    I'm not sure.......I guess it depends on how clear I am as to where they came from. There is a lot more to it than my simple understanding of destroying an embryo for stem cells versus other options to get them.
     
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    Exactly, he said stem cells from embryos and didn't limit the statement to made between man and woman. This includes embryo's developed via in vitro fertilization. If you don't believe me, look at what the government says.

    1. Irregardless of my view on in vitro fertilization, if the product of such practice could save my child from an otherwise unusable, ready to be discarded embryo then to answer the OP, YES, I would allow it. I was just being honest.

    2. Now as for, "embryos to be created just to be destroyed for their stem cells". This ask am I in favor of scientist and medical researchers who have come to the knowledge of creating embryo's outside of the natural God made method of man and woman? This question IS outside the OP question but I would be glad to answer with their permission or in a different thread. To answer here would take this thread way off topic.
     
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    The end result of IVF is no different than if the creation of the human occurred through natural methods and not in a laboratory - it is a human life. For decades, infertile couples have been using IVF and then have the fertilized eggs implanted in the wombs of women trying to have children. To discard or destroy these fertilized eggs for any reason is to destroy human life.
     
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    I don't think that stem cells are taken from aborted babies. I could be wrong though - and I'm running out the door so have no time to check it out. :)

    I'd think that IVF embryos are more favorable since there is no major medical interference on them whereas aborting a fetus usually does more damage.
     
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    Ann, stem cells are taken from partial birth abortion babies.
    Murdering any baby, whether a not implanted embryo or one in the womb is still murder. And which person is going to say they are more important then a baby, a human child, so sacrifice that baby, because I hope this person isn't or doesn't plan on being a parent, not if they see themselves as more important then a child so it's ok to murder them if it advaces self in any way.
     
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    I hope everyone who like me is against abortion is also against in vitro fertilization. This procedure also creates destroyed embryoes. Many times people try to include this as helping poor would be parents have children but it is just as reprehensible as abortion.
     
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    I am against IVF... as well...

    When parents fertilize a bunch of cells they are creating life...
    when the discarded fertilized cells are discarded, innocent life was destroyed...
    No different than abortion.

    If we are consistant.. and say that life begins at conception... then that goes for IVF...
     
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    Agreed, 100%.
     
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    From my understanding, stem cells are taken from a blastocyst - or very early fertilized egg. I don't see where they could get stem cells from a baby that is well developed.

    I totally agree that the embryos created during IVF are just as much babies as any others. However, I've been in the position of struggling with infertility. We personally decided to not do IVF and if we couldn't conceive the "natural" way (through intercourse), the we wouldn't do it. That meant that we wouldn't even do artificial insemination. However, if we WERE to do IVF, I would have limited the number of eggs to be fertilized and then implanted. I would have risked the high order multiple (which I did with the shots). I would not have babies created then not implant them. Period. I know the cost factor - but at that point, adoption would have been our choice.
     
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    This is not true, some IFV is done purely for medical research and th embryo or not fertilized in an environment they can survive in. IOW, they are experiments and not a life.

    I know you will disagree with my statement because like everything else, you have your mind made up and really don't care to hear facts. I will leave this thread alone as I thought it was a sincere attempt to discuss a subject where we can all grown to a better understanding of God and his design. I can see I was wrong and it's just another pro-life you're a murderer and God should hate you thread... I'm just glad the people here aren't God...
     
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    Exactly, stem cells are not taking from anything that has a chance at life. No one wants to hear the truth....

    Besides, God himself aborts babies in the form of miscarriages but no one calls him a murderer.
     
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    If that embryo was implanted in a uterus, it most certainly would have a chance at life. "A chance at life" is not a measure of life. My dear friend had a son who was doomed to death at birth. He had no "chance at life" but that didn't matter. That little boy touched many hearts and because of his death (yes, it was a death because he had a life) no less than 10 people came into new life with Christ. Embryos that are created for science and not for a womb is life just as much as the embryos that grew to the 4 children sitting in my den right now.

    That is because God is the AUTHOR of life and death. He owns the right to take life away.
     

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