Would you call the pastor a liar during a service?

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  1. Salty

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    In the thread about Joe Wilson , I

    In post # 65 I responded to Crabtownboy by saying
    "In post # 32 you said "So do you think it is okay to shout "Amen" when a preacher is speaking, and equalling okay to shout "You Lie!" if you disagree?"

    So lets bring it into the pews:

    Suppose you visited a Pentecostal service and the pastor began saying, the Lord has given me the power to heal this poor women who is crippled.

    Would you stand up and say "You lie"?

    If 5 people started to speak in tongues all at the same time in church, would you stand up and say they were being unbiblical?
     
  2. matt wade

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    I wouldn't shout Amen or You Lie, but for different reasons. As for Amen, I'm just not an Amen shouting kind of guy. For You Lie, I think it poor taste to yell something like that out. If it was in a "church" that I knew didn't hold to true Biblical principles, well I probably wouldn't be there to begin with. If it was in my church or another church of like faith, I'd deal with it appropriately by speaking personally to the speaker after the service.

    I also wouldn't shout out You Lie if I was a Congressman during someone's speech whether the President or someone else.
     
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    There are some statements so vitrolic towards spiritual growth and the movement of the Holy Spirit that it is our obligation to confront immediately.

    Imagine if someone stood in the pulpit and used their platform to assasinate the character of a good person.
    Imagine if someone stoof in the pulpit and openly demeaned one gender/race/ethnicity/etc in a way that was so reprehensible that it needs to be stopped.
    Imagine if someone stoof in the pulpit and openly cast aspersions on the credibility of the Bible.

    These, and many others, are reasons we must be ready to confront. Our stand for doctrine, worship, and the glory of God is the chief concern.
     
  4. Johnv

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    No. No matter how much I disagreed with the pastor, it's not my place to interrupt pastor with a "you lie" outburst. It's rude, disrespectful, and self-righteous.

    If the pastor assasinated the character of a good person, demeaned one gender/race/ethnicity in a reprehensible manner, or openly cast aspersions on the credibility of the Bible, I'd get up noticeably and leave. This demonstrates disapproval without demonstrating disrespect.
     
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    I have been in a service where a person was giving a testimony, and started spilling out heresy, and the Pastor stood, and asked him to take his seat, that his belief was heretical..

    The person refused to take his seat, but kept on teaching the heresy, and the pastor asked the ushers, and deacons to remove him from service.. and they did.


    I have grabbed my family and left during a service one time because the evangelist was preaching lies..
     
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    I once wanted to walk out of my in-laws' church because of what the preacher was saying, but I would have had to climb over two little old ladies to get to the aisle. I decided to "tough it out". :BangHead: It was the last time I heard him preach.

    Tim Reynolds
     
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    With that in mind, one should remember that temperament is in order. For example, what if you were invited to your presbyterian sister's church for the baptizing of her infant child? We don't agree with infant baptism, but it would be disrespectful to disrupt the service during the infant baptism part of the service. Since we're visitors in a church, we should respect the atmosphere and remain seated silently, respecting their custom, even though we disagree with it. We could also refuse to go, but that would be hurtful to the rest of our family who might not be baptist, and be a poor christian witness to bother believers and nonbelievers alike.
     
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    If it's not your church and your only a visitor, then all you really can do is leave.
     
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    donnA is right on the money, as are those who said they would/did leave. I have walked out of churches for this, but I was visiting. I ahve never had to approach my pastor about anything like this, but I would. If it was over the top I would walk up to the pulpit and "have a word with him" as an aside right then and there.
     
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    we also are not talking about a political arena either. which I am sure this relates too. Anyone who can't see the difference would never understand the differences if you closly explained it to them.
     
  11. Aaron

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    No. The miracle, or lack thereof, would be an immediate testimony to the veracity of his pronouncement.

    There was a time in '97 when a quest speaker said, "It's not what you do with Jesus that determines whether or not you go to Heaven, it's what you do with the poor." I regret to this day not standing and saying, "You lie!" (Or something to that effect.)

    No. I'm the visitor. I know what I'm in for, but even in my days as a charismaniac I never saw more than one person speak in tongues during the preaching, but everyone got wild during the prayers before and after.
     
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    When I lived in New England I attended a Baptist Church where a visitor began to "speak" in tongues.

    The pastor immediately had the ushers escort the man out of the church.

    HankD
     
  13. Salty

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    But supposed it did.

    I started this thread
     
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    I remember someone telling me (can't remember exactly who) that they had been at a conference when a man stood up and began speaking in tongues.

    The speaker at the pulpit waited patiently for the man to finish, and then asked if anyone could interpret what the man had said.

    Another man, close to the front, raised his hand and stated in a loud voice that the man had spoken in a language he understood. He then gave the interpretation.

    The second man claimed the man speaking in tongues was blaspheming Jesus by claiming Jesus wasn't really God and was not raised from the dead.

    The first man, embarrassed, left in a hurry.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Wow.

    Thats not good.
     
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    Well, Jesus was not afraid to make a commotion in the temple.

    John 2:13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
    14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
    15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
    16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
     
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    I've actually been in that exact situation and told my sister-in-law that we don't believe in infant baptism, so we would not be attending. They understood.
     
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    Actually, that's debatable. The pastor might have the gift of healing. But if a pastor said that God says that homosexuality is not a sin, then yes, I'm sure I would stand up and say, "You lie!" But since it's not scriptural for a woman to speak in church, I stay away from churches that support homosexuality. :jesus:
     
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    No, I'd say "HERETIC!"

    No. Assuming that there were an opportunity to do so (as most charismatic churches do have), I would just stand up and say point out that God has called worship to be orderly and that one person should speak at a time, followed by an interpretation, and that the interpretation must be judged in light of scripture. Of course, I'd rather say, "You silly people! Don't you know that tongues were done away?" But since that tends to be counterproductive, I guess taking baby steps is the way to go.

    I once got in trouble for speaking out about tongues in church. Our charismatic church was very loose, worship wise, and pretty much anybody could get up and say anything.

    Every week, someone would speak in tongues and then this weird hippie lady would say in a fake voice, (it was really odd. It was obviously affected, trying to sound super-spiritual. Didn't sound anything like her regular voice) "This is what the Lord says..." and then tell us how the Lord was just pleased as punch with us and how we were to keep on doing what we were doing, etc.

    The funny thing is that while this woman was telling us how pleased the Lord was with us, our youth pastor was carrying on a homosexual affair with another man and was caught at a popular gay nightclub (although the obvious question of what the guy who caught him was doing at the gay nightclub was never answered), one family was starving their children to death, and several people in the singles group were involved in immoral relationships (and I know this one to be true because I was one of them).

    Not really a lot of things going on in that church that would please God.

    One day, after she made her weekly "keep up the good work" announcement, I brought these things up and was asked to leave.

    The other question I had, which I never got the chance to answer, was that if tongues are a sign to unbelievers, then why were all of these messages directed at the church?
     
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    We've travelled and moved a lot, and sometimes there just wasn't "correct" church to visit, so visited the next best thing. Never tempted to shout you lie when I disagreed, as I knew they were going to differ in belief from me when I entered. Of course, neither would I affirm in any way what I considered wrong.

    But there is one time I sat quietly, then left a church I was a member of for good--quietly, which I regret. I should have stood and said "somebody is lying."

    Reason: we had a pastor recall election, somewhat contentious. Pastor had said he woud only stay if the recall vote was 100% in favor of him staying. I know it wasn't--in the first place, two of my friends handed me their unfolded ballots with "no" marked very boldly and in dark marker. And I know it for sure because I also voted no. A few minutes later the pastor announced the vote was unanimous in favor of the him remaining.


    My membership was in good standing, and one of those friends was deacon, the other his wife. Both in good standing.

    So either the pastor lied, the deacons that did the count lied, or somebody messed up and lost ballots between the back of the room and the front.

    Knowing the chicanery that pastor later did, such as getting a govt entity to condemn some buildings and then sell them to the church for $1 when the owners did not agree to sell to the church, I really regret not speaking up.
     

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