Would you consider your translation your final authority?

There are 20,000+ posts on this Versions/Translations Forum
of the Baptist Board. There are even more in the archives.

If one read all these posts, one would realize the truth
and validity of what Tinytim said.

Ed's short summary:

The PRIME DIRECTIVE OF BULLETIN BOARDS ( bbs ):

Read before you post.
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Prime Axiom of the Freedom Bible Readers:

God Preserves His Holy Written Word in
each and every Translation or Version.

Prime Principle proved from the Prime Axiom:
If there appears to be a discrepancy in one
or all of the faithful translations of the Bible
-- then it isn't God's Fault.

What is the logic behind the "one and only one
transalation is all God can preserve"-isms?

Practical conclusion of the Prime Principle.
It is the duty of the BB Version/Translation Forum
for Good Christians Brothers & Sisters to discuss
the alledged variants in the Bible/Bibles so
that each individual can determine under the
influence of the Holy Spirt what God thinks
is right.

 

Rippon, 20yrs is recent from my perspective in light of Textual Criticism, but your point is well-taken by me for clarification purposes.

 

Ed, if she read all that stuff, we wouldn't hear from her for 7 yrs!!! lol

BTW, sorry for calling you Mr Ed in my previous post...!!!

At least I didn't say you belonged to Balaam!!!

Gotta love me!

 

I would say something, but since you complimented me previously.. I will let it slide!!! haha

 

Tim, go ahead. Once it is constructive, go right ahead. :thumbs:

 

Salamander:

Actually, 4boys4joys did NOT stump anybody.
It is obvious: the different translations do NOT
conflict -- God uses all of them to transmitt
His Holy Written Word to Mankind.

Here is a stumper observation:

A $100 Bill will not be recognized by
a $1 Bill reader
Is the $100 Bill real or counterfit?
The $1 Bill reader doesn't know.
Tee Hee!

(BTW, you 'all denominations but one be damned'-ites
and 'all denominations be damned'-ites -- do you
notice that the $100 bill and the $1 bill
are DIFFERENT denominations but are both good money?)

 

Tee Hee - Hope springs eternal in the Human Breast

You are forgiven -- this is #12 of 70times70

 

I think that Jim has very well summarized the issue in these two statements. Men were clearly involved with the writing, copying, and translating of the Bible, and if God were not in it from the beginning it would be just a worthless effort solely of man's making.

I make a presuppositional decision that has God guided men in these processes. This presupposition corresponds with the empirical evidence; in the believer the Holy Spirit confirms this truth. The question remaining is, to what extent has God guided men? At any time to a level of literal perfection by the human definition? Or perhaps, to a level of God's perfection that we do not understand.

The LORD created everything in our world "good" (perfect), but it is now imperfect (even by human standards). God instituted marriage as the union of two individuals (one male and one female) into one flesh (the 'perfect' state for our species), but then made allowance for men to divorce their wives. It is God's 'perfect' will that all individuals would come to saving knowledge of Him, but this will not happen according to the scriptures. But God's perfection is a sufficient perfection for His creatures.

God's preservation of His words is also sufficient to accomplish His good pleasure, even if it does not align with the definition of 'perfect' in human terms.

 

A printed dollar bill is not an "original". Even a fresh, uncirculated dollar is just one of many reproductions. And it is not the perfect transmission of ink to paper that creates legal tender. It is the official advocate behind that financial note that gives it purchasing power.

For example, a criminal might illegally obtain genuine printing plates for a dollar bill. But any bills printed with those printing plates (we'll assume they are perfect in every physical detail) would still be counterfeit! Why? Because those bills were not issued by a legitimate authority. "Counterfeit" indicates an attempt to deceive or defraud; it not a testimony to the fidelity of the reproduction.

Recently, the U.S. Treasury Department has altered the designs of both bills and coins. We now have different-looking currency of the very same denominations in circulation together. The genuine articles can only be identified by referring to detailed published information provided by that agency.

The unsuspecting public will not recognize high quality conterfeit money. It is the responsibilty of the issuing institution to enforse the legitimacy of the cash supply. To prosecute counterfeiting requires proof establishing the motives of the persons involved.

How does this relate to Bible translations? Are you accusing some one of "counterfeit" Bibles? Do you have evidence that their translation is not supported by the authority of God? Do you have certain knowledge of the translators' motives?

 

No offense intended to my brother, but for balance here is a different perspective, comparing the Hebrew to the Greek.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=36481

(post#10)

 

Thanks... I knew that was somewhere in a thread on this board... I just couldn't find it last night...

I appreciated our discussion back then also...

Here is something that I noticed last night...
If Jesus was reading straight from Isaiah... why is this phrase totally omitted... and recovering of sight to the blind, from Isaiah...
Luke said Jesus read these words...
Why does the KJV not include them in the passage from Isaiah that Jesus read?

The answer... Jesus did not read from the same manuscripts the KJV translators used.

Or Luke lied...
Or Jesus added to the Bible...(which would have been allowed since He is God, but the people would have called him on it)

There is just no other answer for that phrase to be included in Luke, but not Isaiah.

But thanks for the link...

 

My intention was not to stump anyone. If others think so then that is fine too.
You may have expounded my point with your illustration.

The bill reader does not know, but the person who put it inside the machine does. I hope we take the same discrenment when it comes to scripture no matter what version we read, may we do it while knowing that what we put in our "bill reader" is the right denomination and it is authentic.

If each one of us is a bill reader, does God design us to recognize a certain denomination or amount or do you think it is both? Should we be searching for the right denomination without knowing if it is counterfit ? ( When it comes to the Bible). Would you think that in doing this it would not be right regardless of denomination because it holds no value. Or do we look for the original, then the denomination, which would verify itself based on the verification of authenticity that it is in fact aucthentic regardless of denomination?

That is different for all. But I do not see how you could do this any other way. The bill you put inside the reader has to be authentic regardless of denomination. If it is a $1 bill reader it will spit out a fake.We should spit out fakes regardless of denomination. ( I am speaking of this as unto men now.) As bill readers should
we accept any bill that is not authentic and right in denomination. Comparing our choices in relation to a computer or machine may not have been your intent, but I will you it to make a point.

We are programmed to do more than just accept one. We have been given the liberty to be able to read all but to accept the right amount and denomination. All of which cannot be done without an original or authentic.

Everyone's view may be different on what the original is but we cannot deny that fact that we need an original that is authentic and verified. How people do this in their heart and what verifies it is up to them and between them and God.

I respectfully see your point, maybe you can see mine.

 

This was for thought and not accusation. If in fact a dollar bill cannot be verified by
the advocate. I would hope that we would take the same care in asking the advocate to verify our version of the Bible. This will conclude differently for each person but that is the attempt we should all make.

Some do go as far as to say that some in our history took the authentic plates and printed the Bible without any authority from the legimate authority. So then that would also mean that they are counterfit in origin because there was decetion involved.

Our mission is to find out the origin of truth and to figure out if we trust the ones who had the plates and that they did it with the permission of the advocate. I hope that each endeavors to do so. I would never tell someone that beacuse they have found a different version or versions than the one or ones I have chosen they are counterfit. But I would hope that we would all search for the original bill (or plates to be more specific) so that we can be able to read God's word and allow it to speak to our hearts and do something in our lives and the lives of others.

 

It would be quite illogical to have one and only one perfect
grain of wheat -- with all the rest taboo. Five Billion people
would die the first year - their very lives depending upon
copies of the one and only one perfect grain of wheat.

Likewise it is quite illogical to LIMIT GOD to having
one and only one perfect copy of His Perfect Written
Word: the Holy Bible.

My HCSB (Christian Standard Bible /Holman, 2003/ ):
is the inerrant Written Word of God and contains the
preserved words of God, the Holy Bible
for readers of the early 21st Century.
My NIV (New International Version)
is the inerrant Written Word of God and contains the
preserved words of God, the Holy Bible
for readers of the late 20th Century.
Etc.

 

I suppse that is YOUR opinion and you are entitled to it.

OTOH; it is MY opinion that it is not illogical at all. I see it as a GREATER testament to God's power to preserve ONE Bible in each language in the face of all the other onslaughts against His words. After all, He Himself has "limited" Himself to one and only one of many other things. One people, one faith, one Lord, one baptism, one church, and so forth.:thumbs:

 

One people, yet they are of every size, shape and race imaginable. One faith, yet there are many denominations- (of course not all of them are as perfect as us Baptists are :smilewinkgrin:.) One Lord, yet He manifests Himself as Father, Son and Holy Ghost. One baptism- are we referring here to water or Spirit baptism? One church, yet it is a body made up of many members.

So, why cannot God have his word manifested in many versions?

 

Yes, I would consider my version my final authority....and yours and yours and yours and.............................................................

 

Is that a cat in your avatar?

Hmmmm... that explains some things... just jokin sis!

 

One of these days....:laugh:

Actually it's 2 cats. Sisters, eight weeks old.

 

I like that analogy. :godisgood: